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I have a Fender Super Reverb reissue. 45 watt, 4x10 Jensen speakers.

 

Since I've been taking lessons, all I've played is clean; say around 1 or 2 on the volume.

 

So I wanted to have some fun this weekend and cranked her up to 6. No pedals, treble at 4, mid at 3 bass at 4. Power chords and any other chord sounded great...pure fender butter crunchiness! :) Leads also sounded good.

 

But, just playing some nice slow single note stuff sounded like crap (for example, the finger picking to Hotel California). Muddy, buzzy, notes tended to blend together (and no, it wasn't my playing! :) ) LOL

 

Can we have LOUD and CLEAN???

 

Main guitar is 2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard

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Originally posted by Rootstonian:

...Can we have LOUD and CLEAN???...

Yes. Three amps that deliver loud & clean are the Fender Twin Reverb, Lab Series L5 or a MusicMan RP series amp. Unfortunately, the Twin Reverb is the only one of these three that remains in production.

 

 

EDIT: I forgot about the Vox AC30. These things get really loud before they start breaking up.

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*cough* *Ahem*

 

 

L O U D & C L E A N ! ! !

 

Roland JC-120H Jazz Chorus.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g30/scmcfaul/IMG_0071-1.jpg

 

 

No, seriously. It is. Both.

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Originally posted by Mudcat:

Originally posted by Rootstonian:

...Can we have LOUD and CLEAN???...

Yes. Three amps that deliver loud & clean are the Fender Twin Reverb, Lab Series L5 or a MusicMan RP series amp. Unfortunately, the Twin Reverb is the only one of these three that remains in production.

 

 

EDIT: I forgot about the Vox AC30. These things get really loud before they start breaking up.

Yes the Vox AC30s sound great clean until about 7 or so and then they start breaking up and the crunch you get from an AC30 sounds so good also. The new CC2 though you can get any tone out of the tubes and then make it more quiet or loud by just adjusting the master volume.

Their really very felxible amps.

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I agree.....Fender Twin Reverb.....it's so loud, I can't stay in the same room when I'm playing thru it! Great amp, beautiful clean sounds. I had a vintage blackface Twin Reverb and a vintage blackface Super Reverb here together for about 4 months. Both are great amps. The Super broke up at much lower volume settings. At lower volume settings, the Super has a sweet "shimmering" chorus like sound. It did get muddy as you went up on the volume. The Twin was difficult to get to the point on the volume knob where it would break up. I also had a reissue Twin Reverb briefly. I got rid of it because it was TOO LOUD!! It is a great amp, however. If I was playing it out, and wanted clean head room, it would win hands down.

Don

 

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Yes, reducing the volume on the guitar helped clean it up a bit.

 

I'll have to mess with the EQ settings on the amp too. And I'll probably get an EQ pedal that should let me cut some of the mid tones I seem to be hearing.

 

Also, I have to remember I'm in a small room (10x12) so I'm going to get some buzz from lamp fixtures, windows. And obviously, the acoustics in this room are going to bounce the sound all over the place! :)

 

Not quite ready to trade-up to the twin, although I have always wanted one.

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Originally posted by mdrs:

I agree.....Fender Twin Reverb.....it's so loud, I can't stay in the same room when I'm playing thru it! Great amp, beautiful clean sounds. I had a vintage blackface Twin Reverb and a vintage blackface Super Reverb here together for about 4 months. Both are great amps. The Super broke up at much lower volume settings. At lower volume settings, the Super has a sweet "shimmering" chorus like sound. It did get muddy as you went up on the volume. The Twin was difficult to get to the point on the volume knob where it would break up. I also had a reissue Twin Reverb briefly. I got rid of it because it was TOO LOUD!! It is a great amp, however. If I was playing it out, and wanted clean head room, it would win hands down.

Right on.. I had master volume control added to my Twin with SRO's and the SuperReverb both..I still have the blackface SuperReverb, with the 4X10's you have to roll back the bass setting as you go up in volume, but man that thing is a great blues amp! but to date I've found nothing better than my 62 Fender Pro Amp for flat out blues tone.
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I'd love to check out that '62 Pro.....Once you find a good one, you don't wanna ever let it get away!!

 

I should have a '64 Fender Deluxe Reverb in the house by Wed. I'll try to post my impressions. Also, if I can find the time (it's archery season, work is busy, and I'm going on a college visit trip with my son next week) I may lay a lead down on the RoadHog back track that Cannonball did some vocals on using the Deluxe..

Don

 

"There once was a note, Pure and Easy. Playing so free, like a breath rippling by."

 

 

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For sure Doc! hay did you see that YouTube video of the guy playing a old Fender Pro just like mine ..it was ahhhhh about two weeks ago? if you didnt' see it you should ..tell me and I can find it again! he did a good job on the demo I just wish he would have been more agressive with the presence control on it, that presence control is SO perfect and active.
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Thanks Lee...that amp sounds like Fender Heaven!!

 

Check this out;

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTEIGc5gUU&NR

 

It looks like the same guy playing thru a Fuchs ODS 50. I have a Fuch's ODS 50 head, and a Fuchs custom shop ODS 30 in a 2x12 combo with flamed maple cab.....both sound TOO SMOOTH. The sustain in these Fuchs amps is to die for. Check it out!

Don

 

"There once was a note, Pure and Easy. Playing so free, like a breath rippling by."

 

 

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=574296

 

http://www.myspace.com/imdrs

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Originally posted by mdrs:

Thanks Lee...that amp sounds like Fender Heaven!!

 

Check this out;

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTEIGc5gUU&NR

 

It looks like the same guy playing thru a Fuchs ODS 50. I have a Fuch's ODS 50 head, and a Fuchs custom shop ODS 30 in a 2x12 combo with flamed maple cab.....both sound TOO SMOOTH. The sustain in these Fuchs amps is to die for. Check it out!

Oh, man, I have morning GAS...
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Originally posted by Warthog:

Originally posted by mdrs:

Thanks Lee...that amp sounds like Fender Heaven!!

 

Check this out;

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YTEIGc5gUU&NR

 

It looks like the same guy playing thru a Fuchs ODS 50. I have a Fuch's ODS 50 head, and a Fuchs custom shop ODS 30 in a 2x12 combo with flamed maple cab.....both sound TOO SMOOTH. The sustain in these Fuchs amps is to die for. Check it out!

Oh, man, I have morning GAS...
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The GA-30 (pictured on my left) will get quite loud with minimal break-up.

As Xplorer said so will the jazz chorus has a very sweet clean sound at incredible volumes, however I believe it's solid state so that's not that unusual.

-Andy

 

 

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Not to end this thread, but I did notice something last night that nobody caught...

 

It's been about 4 or 5 weeks since a string change. I noticed my sound being a little flat and muddy on 2 or 3 volume setting.

 

I guess as my lessons and skills progress, and as I discover just what kind on music I'll want to be playing, that will determine where I my go with an amp choice. For now, the SR is a sweet amp in its price range.

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