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MOST OF GUITAR FAKES are-not-fakes...


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Bros!: It might be tiresome to read, to understand but I think it´s interesting. That I will explain affect in some sense to us.

Always a Mercedes-Benz is overpriced in USA (for the shippment,fies and a part for the myth) the same for European people a "Corvette" is inaccessible (that´s is into the normality).WORLD IS CRAZY! I don´t considere normal I could drive to a little farm and buy a bottle of wine and pay arround 1$ before it will be sold to a cooperative,to factory, be labeled and exported,and price in an american restaurant will convert i.e. 300$ or more.

Police is constantly closing "Playstation" stores by that chinese fakes, who is guilty?...JAPAN is, time ago they worked hard to make their products, now they give the high technology to China, for low costs in production, possible you are buying not a fake-copy you are buying original plate without license but Chinese aren´t idiot and could produce more than Japan had ordered them.

SAME happens WITH GUITARS!!! To weeks ago a younger cousin asked to me to go with him to buy a Gretsch (not american one), we tryed a WHITE FALCON M.I.J. (3400$) and a Electromatic from KOREA (950$), I know pieces quiet well and can promise that Korean guitar wears pieces you could find in a cheap epiphone or other Asian made brands,"Pieces Made in China"!!! molds are in that country (including cheapest Bigsby), why they can´t benefit of that???.

See Chinese 1$ guitars in Ebay, they combine pieces making strange guitars,you could see a Gretsch with an horrible logo, without the pots in the right place, with Gibson style Humb. (probably were made where Epiphone´s pups are).They´re not revised, no good wood, no laquered are plastic covered but...Why to pay 950$ for a shit?. Manufacturers lie, Why they don´t show products as "American revised","Japan Revised"?...Why I bought an USA´s BIG MUFF (not the russian one) an can read "made in china" in the shell and in plate components?.

If you like bricolage you can enjoy saving that money, use a sandpaper and relaquer one appropiately, buy an american Bigsby, good PUPs etc...and step by step be proud yourself have built a medium quality guitar!!! WORLD IS MAD!!!

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The problem isn't with the set up, it's with the quality of parts.

 

A lot of copies, look identical, to the originals. Problem is, they use very substandard parts. Cheap machine heads, cheap pickups, even cheap woods.

 

This means the guitars don't sound as good. Also, because of inferior hardware, they tend to go out of tune easier and things like intonation tend to suffer.

 

The question isn't, is it worth saving the money to have a guitar that looks real. It's, is it worth saving money to have a guitar that looks real, but sounds nothing like the original.

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Yes Craig: you´re right about copies, and all those guitar are not for us, usually they´re toys but sometimes people is buying one of these toys under the name of a great brand. I´m not talking about copies exactly. A Chinese copy like a Swiss Watch like "Quartier" or "Rolex" is other history they haven´t contacts with Asia. But in example I know that Epiphone guitars are made in series and mounting generally same PUPs to all models. Do you know why chinese have "the molds"? they produce most of parts (including wood). And if is a custom model only add decorative parts (still being plastic covered not laquered), the dot 335,Rory Gallagher,Sheraton,Riviera YOU ARE BUYING THE SAME GUITAR!!! if you fall in love with the CASINO reissue (horrible compared with a vintage one)you buy it and breaks by an accident,look for one of those chinese bodies (were made in the same factory!). Epi Joe Pass is only an esthetycal jazz guitar not in quality if buy one look for gibson PUPs and still no laquered!. Grover tuners made in china too, the only difference if they´re saving money is in silver-gold coating (could be electrolythic and they soon rusts, but epi´s are coated so). Same for Korean Gretsch " a disgrace".
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Well, folks, it's becoming an everyday fact that almost everything we use and take for granted is being made in Asia somewhere. Shoes, clothes, appliances, just about everything you can think of is coming from overseas. Even though Harley D is touted as made in the U.S. some of the parts used are foreign made. Its becoming hard pressed to find stuff made in the U.S. It's all about the bottom dollar, and U.S. corporations don't seem to care about made in America anymore,and the govt isn't helping- by offering tax incentives and tariff discounts to those that buy from foreign markets.

I can remember when "Made in Japan" was considered cheap and inferior, but they make some of the best stuff nowadays.

Get ready for the next wave, or use your power to vote, and get some politicians who really care about the U.S. and the American worker. One of the reasons that it costs so much to make things in America is the high cost of labor, which also reflects back to the runaway costs of health care, housing, etc.

"Who's gonna teach the children about Chuck Berry?"
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yes Marvar: I haven´t heard you say about Harleys,if final quality is revised...The problem is Japanese work less than years ago they give out work to other poor countries (China,Taiwan,Corea etc). Then you´re not buying a totally japanese product.
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I have an Agile Les Paul copy and a cheap one. AL2000. I just A/B'd it tonight with my real Gibson Les Paul, coincidentally before reading this, and I can tell you the Agile sounds every bit as good. I'm sorry, but it isn't necessarily inferior parts or pickups it's the cheap foriegn labor. Do you know what a Gibson employee makes an hour to build a guitar? This is the US and people with that skill and craft command top dollar. People in China are making pennies an hour. I'm sure the Koreans that made my agile are not overpaid either. My Gibson came from Nashville and I bet those folks make as much as I do.

 

Hey, I can't blame people for caving to the piere pressure of buying a big name brand cause I did it too when I was younger. Thats why I have Gibsons and Fenders ...... but I have learned that I don't care what others think, just what I do. If I like it, I don't care what the name on the head stock is. And I learned that the hard way too and only recently despite being a 46 year old fart.

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I'm sorry Pere, I misunderstood you. I thought you were referring to counterfeit products.

 

It's been my experience, that the Japanese guitars, are usually, quite good. Collin James uses Japanese Strats all the time. Epiphone make some nice copies as well.

 

The problem is, for a person who doesn't know as much about guitars, it's hard to pick a good copy.

 

You or I could sit down and find a nice Strat copy, that was every bit as good as an original. But because it is a copy, occasionally, you come across bad ones. This doesn't normally happen with a brand name guitar and is something that new guitarists, may have trouble discerning.

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Well the title of the post here has the word `Fakes`, which suggests that it`s about counterfeit goods. The quality of guitars here is at the point where you don`t need to look for a copy of anything to get a great guitar-Killer, Atelier Z, Sugi and several others make guitars as good as anything out there, and have their own unique sound and style too. But you`re not going to get the good ones for dirt cheap. I went to Shanghai this spring (planning to go back for the holidays), and sampled some fairly playable acoustics for about $50.

Whatever the politicians try to tell you about `Buy American`, if the corporations can do something cheaper or make more profit that`s what`s going to happen. When they start hiring philosophical consultants, you`ll hear a lot more about ethics.

As far as the work ethic here, some people have balked at the old work till you drop system, for a very good reason-the lifetime employment entitlement for that dedication has collapsed. But the large companies are still demanding the same ridiculous working hours, but not offerig the same benefits. So a lot of young people have said `screw that` and become `freeters`-without any fixed job, hopping from part-time or temporary position one to another without building any long-term social benefits. But for those who join the companies, the hours haven`t changed at all-I see them coming home on the train every night at 10:00 or later, many of them half or more drunk from after work drinking.

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