Sorta OT: Where where you???

[Guitarzan]

i have nothing nonoffensive or otherwise to add.

[Bluesape]

JFK - 3rd grade - we had an elderly supply teacher that day - she couldn't hold back the tears.

 

MLK Jr. - 8th grade - wasn't hip to his accomplishments before then - 13 year old white kids were blissfully unaware of racial strife where i lived.

 

RFK - 8th grade - in music class when the word came in - teacher was an older guy who tried to say something appropriate, but he was furious.

 

Jimi - day after my 15th birthday - I was just getting into guitar seriously.

 

Elvis - I was 22, I guess - not shocked, as he was gettin' bigger and sicker by the day - was having dinner at my fiance's folks house. Rex Humbard gave his usual lame BS, and claimed to have met with Elvis just prior to his death.

 

Lennon - I was 25, home from Az for X-mas - sad day.

[mdrs]

Hell, I thought Elvis was "in the house"???

 

[Chad Thorne]

I was barely aware of Elvis' passsing. My oldest child (boy) was about a month old at the time and my attention was pretty well taken up with him and his mother.

[Durockrolly]

Originally posted by Sasquatch51:

Originally posted by Durockrolly:

Originally posted by Guitars are like shoes. But louder.:

Bush: Hopefully while I'm typing this reply!

Always speak your mind! It may offend some and please others, but if you don't speak YOUR mind you may end up speaking someone elses.

 

Peace!

 

This is NOT a political forum. There is NO PLACE in here for anyone to wish the President of the United States would die....speaking their mind OR speaking someone else's. (My problem is NOT with Guitars are Like Shoes at this point...we were PAST that until someone decided to ressurect it)

 

This is a guitar forum. If there were shorter words I could use to explain that, I would. Some people would not understand it no matter how few syllable were used in the explanation, I guess.

 

Politics and religion are very sensitive subjects. When comments such as that are made, it does, in fact, offend people. Is that really appropriate for a guitar forum? Do you think it's appropriate to make comments and start discussions that are not related to guitars or music in any way, but are designed only to polarize and alienate people?

 

I personally do not care one whit what your political or religious views are. I don't want to hear it. I come here to discuss guitars, not politics or religion.

 

"Speaking your mind" is NOT always appropriate, nor even allowed. Whether you realize it or not, "free speech" does not apply in this forum. There are rules by which we are to conduct ourselves and there are topics which are not allowed.

 

I suggest that if "speaking your mind" is that important to you and you want to be in a forum where everyone has the same political and religious views and you can just bash whomever you want, then maybe you need to leave this forum and go to a political forum.

 

Look at it like this. You are a guest in this forum. If you are a guest in someone else's house, then there are certain things that you would not say in that person's house. You have to respect their wishes and their house rules. If you come to my house and say something like that, you would likely find yourself in a heap in the front yard before you realized what happened to you. Free speech has it's limits. Your rights end where mine start.

Seems to me you're being hypocritical. According to you this is a "Guitar Forum" and there no room for his comments. Yet, looking at the thread page I see many topics, such as... quit smoking, when to give up, Pluto, Bruno Kirby, shooting cats, treadmills, even empty nest syndrom, not to mention the ones that even tell you they're off topic but you don't mention anything about them. Oh yeah, one last thing. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with guitar playing.

 

P.S. If this offends you, BAN ME. I don't need to be part of a dictatorship.

[Zephyr]

Originally posted by Pappy P:

What do you remember about the day that Elvis Died?

 

I remember my best friends mom cried, and I so wanted to console her. This was way before anyone had known what milf was.

That's an easy one, i wasnt born yet.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by Durockrolly:

Seems to me you're being hypocritical. According to you this is a "Guitar Forum" and there no room for his comments. Yet, looking at the thread page I see many topics, such as... quit smoking, when to give up, Pluto, Bruno Kirby, shooting cats, treadmills, even empty nest syndrom, not to mention the ones that even tell you they're off topic but you don't mention anything about them. Oh yeah, one last thing. This topic has absolutely nothing to do with guitar playing.

 

 

P.S. If this offends you, BAN ME. I don't need to be part of a dictatorship.

I don't think you know what hypocritical means, nor dictatorship. This is neither.

 

There are certain subjects that are CLEARLY spelled out in the rules, to which YOU agreed when you joined the forum, that are not permitted for discussion. Religion is one of those and politics is another. Off topic subjects are OK as long as it doesn't cross over into those topics. If you don't like the rules, then maybe you shouldn't have agreed to them and joined. Don't join and then try to change it to what YOU want.

 

However, I'm not a moderator (and don't want to be because of the amount of this sort of petty juvenile CRAP you have to endure), but if A-String or Bluesape disagree with me, I'm sure they'll wade in and correct me.....

 

"Peace."

[Gifthorse]

This is dumb, but I didn't know who John Lennon was when he died. I wasn't a musician yet. I remember walking to elementary school. I think I was 10. Anyways, I thought it was Jack Lemon who got shot. I thought to myself, "you mean that goofy guy?" Then I heard it was one of the members of the Beatles and I was like "Jack Lemon was in the Beatles?" My teacher thought I was a retard. Maybe because of all the blank stares in between. Or maybe the whole pants on backwards thing.

 

I was cutting lawns when 911 happened. I was listening to Drew and Mike. Me and my old drummer Scott thought it was a joke. But then we knew it was real. My first thought was it was bin laden.

[Durockrolly]

In order for this to ba a political topic, one would have to assert an agenda or alliance, neither of which has been done here. I'm done here, so get your last word in and have a good night.

[Guitarzan]

don't stand next to any plywood trees.

[Big Red 67]

I remember John, first thing in the morning. Same with SRV. John's had the most effect on me. Next door neighbor lady, now she was a Huge EP fan. I didn't get it, too young.

[Big Red 67]

That was the first morning story. (the tree brought the thought to mind) I will not tell it here. Way too gorry and horrific. It was the first thing I heard in the AM and I was way to young for that story.

 

I will PM if you need to know the story. I bring it up due to the "it happens in three's" things.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by guitarzan:

don't stand next to any plywood trees.

I'm going to start a plywood tree farm.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by Big Red 67:

That was the first morning story. (the tree brought the thought to mind) I will not tell it here. Way too gorry and horrific. It was the first thing I heard in the AM and I was way to young for that story.

 

I will PM if you need to know the story. I bring it up due to the "it happens in three's" things.

That's not fair! You want us ALL to PM you? We can do that, you know.....

[Big Red 67]

Yes I did think of that.

[Guitarzan]

actually i was working at a lumber yard when it was announced on the radio that Elvis had died.

summer job.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by Durockrolly:

In order for this to ba a political topic, one would have to assert an agenda or alliance, neither of which has been done here. I'm done here, so get your last word in and have a good night.

You just HAVE to justify your argument, don't you? Just HAVE to be right? Sorry. Not this time. You're wrong.

 

The statement in question (had it been serious) would have established both an implied agenda and an implied alliance. Someone (such as myself) would have taken exception to it, since it would have been quite inflammatory and offensive in nature, and it would have served nothing but to divide the forum membership.

 

However, it was not a serious statement. The fact of the matter is that Shoes had already stated that he did not mean the comment in a serious vein, and YOU decided to try to push the subject. It was a dead issue and you resurrected it. That, IMHO, was a thinly veiled attempt to get a political argument going, but you were exposed and your attempt failed. Now it's embarrassing isn't it? I'm sure that had it been YOUR ox that was being gored (as Lee so elequently stated it), you would have had quite a different opinion, and you would not have made the same arguments....THAT is hypocracy.

 

The PAINFULLY obvious solution is to leave politics and religion completely out of the discussions. Then we don't have this sort of problem.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by guitarzan:

actually i was working at a lumber yard when it was announced on the radio that Elvis had died.

summer job.

Ahh...so you have actual experience sawing up plywood trees, huh?

[Warthog]

I vaguely remember it on the news, but I was just 6 years old...

[LPCustom]

When JFK died I was 5 years old. I had just gotten home from kindergarten and looking forward to my grandmother making me a turkey sandwich (I actually liked turkey back then) when Walter Cronkite came on our black and white TV and announced that President Kennedy was dead. I had very little idea what that meant. I went into my mom's beauty shop and asked her what it meant and she turned really pale. All the ladies in the beauty shop went home, then.

 

When Martin Luther King was assassinated on 4 April, 1968 we were watching TV. They broke into the program (Chet Huntley this time, I think) and announced that MLK, Jr had been murdered.

 

When Robert Kennedy was shot I don't remember what I was doing. I do recall going out to cut the grass then coming in afterward and watching TV while eating my lunch. Frank Reynolds (I think) announced that Robert F Kennedy had died that morning.

 

In 1977 when Elvis died, I think I was at work. I heard about it on the radio in my car on the way back to my apartment in Athens, GA. I was about to start my sophomore year at UGA. I've never been into Elvis. I felt sorry that he was dead but he committed suicide. As a Catholic, I have a problem with that.

 

I heard about John Lennon's murder the morning after it happened in December of 1980 (the 8th, I think). We were on Christmas break at UGA and I was on my way to work. I think it was a Tuesday. I remember being in kind of a daze that day. I couldn't imagine why anyone would want to kill John Lennon.

 

I remember the day Marion Morrison (John Wayne) died (11 June, 1979) like it was yesterday. He was one of my "idols". I was getting ready for work and had the morning TV news on when they announced that John Wayne had died the previous afternoon from stomach cancer. It was a very slow day at work. Most of us just talked about John Wayne movies and scenes all day. I still can't believe he's been gone for 27 years, now.

 

I still can't believe all the press that Elvis gets. He's been dead for nearly thirty years. But there's still a lot of press on the anniversary of his death and of his birth.

 

At the same time, very little press commemorates John Lennon on the anniversary of his death (or of his birth, or the breakup of the Beatles...). Curious that.

[Guitarzan]

Originally posted by Sasquatch51:

Originally posted by guitarzan:

actually i was working at a lumber yard when it was announced on the radio that Elvis had died.

summer job.

Ahh...so you have actual experience sawing up plywood trees, huh?

oh yeah, i was a pilot...

[FormerOceanwaySlave]

"The PAINFULLY obvious solution is to leave politics and religion completely out of the discussions."

 

The only thing that is obvious here, is that it seems that the original author seems to have struck a nerve (i.e. yours). He wants the President of the United States dead. Okay. You chose to attack him for the statement. Also okay. But your claiming the righteous high ground is rather absurd since your statement is just as political as his.

 

"There are certain subjects that are CLEARLY spelled out in the rules, to which YOU agreed when you joined the forum, that are not permitted for discussion. Religion is one of those and politics is another. Off topic subjects are OK as long as it doesn't cross over into those topics. If you don't like the rules, then maybe you shouldn't have agreed to them and joined. Don't join and then try to change it to what YOU want."

 

You come across as the worst type of cop. I have no problem at all with law enforcement, but there are a small minority of police offficers who are drawn to the field because it allows them to express the kind of narrow-minded, and alas, often hypocritical rhetoric that you display here.

 

I suspect you probably think I am some sort of asshole for writing all this. I'm actually posting it so that you might have the opportunity to glance in the mirror.

 

Cheers,

 

Alan Tomlinson

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by FormerOceanwaySlave:

"The PAINFULLY obvious solution is to leave politics and religion completely out of the discussions."

 

The only thing that is obvious here, is that it seems that the original author seems to have struck a nerve (i.e. yours). He wants the President of the United States dead. Okay. You chose to attack him for the statement. Also okay. But your claiming the righteous high ground is rather absurd since your statement is just as political as his.

 

"There are certain subjects that are CLEARLY spelled out in the rules, to which YOU agreed when you joined the forum, that are not permitted for discussion. Religion is one of those and politics is another. Off topic subjects are OK as long as it doesn't cross over into those topics. If you don't like the rules, then maybe you shouldn't have agreed to them and joined. Don't join and then try to change it to what YOU want."

 

You come across as the worst type of cop. I have no problem at all with law enforcement, but there are a small minority of police offficers who are drawn to the field because it allows them to express the kind of narrow-minded, and alas, often hypocritical rhetoric that you display here.

 

I suspect you probably think I am some sort of asshole for writing all this. I'm actually posting it so that you might have the opportunity to glance in the mirror.

 

Cheers,

 

Alan Tomlinson

Yes. I do. And I couldn't disagree more. I think that you are completly wrong. I have made NO political statements whatsoever and I carefully avoid doing so, because I really don't want to be one of the pricks that uses this guitar forum to try to soapbox his political views.

 

I only pointed out that statements like that are inflamatory and that President Bush does have some supporters that would be offended by a statement like that. That is not a political statement, it is a plea for people to stop making political statements in here. And it is pointing out that it is in poor taste to wish that someone would die, much less the President of the United States. However, I can turn it around...what if I said (even jokingly) that someone YOU cared about should die? What if I said "I hope your best friend dies before I finish typing this"? Or, "I hope your sister dies before I finish typing this." That MIGHT be something that would offend you, right? Once again...it's all in whose ox is being gored. But, you won't concede that point because it doesn't fit your agenda. I would NEVER suggest that some innocent party should die. To me that is simply insensitive and irresponsible and uncalled-for. To suggest that the President of the United States should die is going too damned far. If you can't see that, then sorry...you don't have enough brains for me to be able to explain it to you.

 

I don't know why you guys insist upon dredging this back up. There IS NO FURTHER POINT TO BE MADE HERE! This was a dead issue. We were past it...Shoes had made his apology, he had stated that he did not mean to offend anyone and we were done with it.

 

Why is it so damned hard to try to keep this forum pleasant for ALL members to use, instead of just the ones with the popular (in this forum) political and religous views? Why should that even be part and parcel to this? Does my political or religous views have anything at all to do with my guitar playing?

 

If you guys want to talk politics, GO TO A F'ING POLITICAL FORUM! I (among MANY others) DO NOT WANT TO SEE THAT SH$@ IN HERE! HOW F'ING HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND?

 

Let it die for F$@% sake!

[Trucks]

Y'know what I think...

 

(gtr)Bom Bom Wakka wak ka Bom Wak wak wakka

 

(horns)doo doo doo do doo dooo

 

(gtr)Bom Bom Wakka wak ka Bom Wak wak wakka=Bom Bom Wakka wak ka Bom Wak wak wakka

 

(bass) duddle dun duddle dun dun dun daaah duddle dun duddle dun dun dun daaah

 

#Who's the black private dick

That's a sex machine to all the chicks?

(Shaft!)

You're damn right

 

Who is the man

That would risk his neck for his brother man?

(Shaft!)

Can ya dig it?

 

Who's the cat that won't cop out

When there's danger all about

(Shaft!)

Right on

 

You see this cat Shaft is a bad mother--

(Shut your mouth)

But I'm talkin' about Shaft

(Then we can dig it)

 

He's a complicated man

But no one understands him but his woman

(John Shaft)#

 

(gtr)Bom Bom Wakka wak ka Bom Wak wak wakka

[FormerOceanwaySlave]

"I don't know why you guys insist upon dredging this back up."

 

Well gee honey, I am so sorry that I didn't read everything when you were reading it. It was posted yesterday.

 

"But, you won't concede that point because it doesn't fit your agenda."

 

Which would be what? I find your anger politically based and therefore rather misplaced. More than that, I find you to be a blowhard. I dislike it when people try to shout discussions down. For what it's worth, I don't want Bush to die soon.

 

"I would NEVER suggest that some innocent party should die. To me that is simply insensitive and irresponsible and uncalled-for."

 

Quite honorable, although hardly unique. I would however strongly disagree with suggesting, as you do, that any President of the United States is or was, "innocent." Children are innocent; victims of crime are often innocent, but President's of the US. I think not, and having read more than a bit of history, I would argue that the majority of educated opinion would disagree with you here as well.

 

"To suggest that the President of the United States should die is going too damned far."

 

Every one of them, so far, has at some point died, that may upset you, but it's just the way it goes. Unless Bush really is Jesus, in which case all bets are off. Seriously though, why is wishing an early death on a political leader, "going too damned far." Lots of people have wished death on Saddam Hussein, bin-Laden, Pol Pot, FDR, Truman, Nixon, Churchill, de Gaulle, Mao, Stalin, Allende, Lumumba, Amin, Ono, Spears, Posh Spice, Timberlake et. al. Having death wished upon you is part of choosing to be in the public eye.

 

I certainly hope that anyone with reasoning skills who might be reading this appreciates that it is Sasquatch that I take lightly, and not the topic.

 

Cheers,

 

Alan Tomlinson

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

Originally posted by FormerOceanwaySlave:

"I don't know why you guys insist upon dredging this back up."

 

Well gee honey, I am so sorry that I didn't read everything when you were reading it. It was posted yesterday.

 

"But, you won't concede that point because it doesn't fit your agenda."

 

Which would be what? I find your anger politically based and therefore rather misplaced. More than that, I find you to be a blowhard. I dislike it when people try to shout discussions down. For what it's worth, I don't want Bush to die soon.

 

"I would NEVER suggest that some innocent party should die. To me that is simply insensitive and irresponsible and uncalled-for."

 

Quite honorable, although hardly unique. I would however strongly disagree with suggesting, as you do, that any President of the United States is or was, "innocent." Children are innocent; victims of crime are often innocent, but President's of the US. I think not, and having read more than a bit of history, I would argue that the majority of educated opinion would disagree with you here as well.

 

"To suggest that the President of the United States should die is going too damned far."

 

Every one of them, so far, has at some point died, that may upset you, but it's just the way it goes. Unless Bush really is Jesus, in which case all bets are off. Seriously though, why is wishing an early death on a political leader, "going too damned far." Lots of people have wished death on Saddam Hussein, bin-Laden, Pol Pot, FDR, Truman, Nixon, Churchill, de Gaulle, Mao, Stalin, Allende, Lumumba, Amin, Ono, Spears, Posh Spice, Timberlake et. al. Having death wished upon you is part of choosing to be in the public eye.

 

I certainly hope that anyone with reasoning skills who might be reading this appreciates that it is Sasquatch that I take lightly, and not the topic.

 

Cheers,

 

Alan Tomlinson

All completely irrelevant. Try to keep up....it's not that difficult.

[S. Yeti Bigfoot, Esq.]

OK. I'll tell you what. Since you guys insist that this should be a political forum, and that's not why I come here, I'm going to let you have it. It's all yours.

 

Do what you want to do. I'm tired of having to argue this point. Some people refuse to read and abide by the forum rules....others just want to argue to hear their empty heads rattle. The rules are the rules.

 

This is supposed to be a forum where we can come and discuss topics that are common to all without having to put up with politically or religously disparaging comments.

 

If you guys want a political forum, then I hope you enjoy wallowing in your own excrement.

 

I'm outta here.

[Shoes]

When Lennon was killed we all gathered at our normal entrance to the high school where we smoked and made sure all of those who knew him persoanally were notified. (and we all knew him personally of course)

 

My Art teacher had gone to school with John and told us stories of how big a jerk he was. (don't know why she needed to do that )

 

The English teacher showed us a film with footage of him playing Imagine in a white room on a white grand piano. The room, as it happens, was of a cottage owned by my close friend's grandfather in Bermuda. He, Mr.Green aka John Lennon and Yoko were staying there for some time. Fairly difficult to hide when you're John Lennon.

 

The first guitar I made was made from a plywood tree Tone wood it was not.... seen the new Martins acustics with plywood necks?

[Trucks]

Martin are using plywood? How peculiar... Is it on low-end models?

[Pappy P]

Sorry. I was trying to figure out how this got political, then it Hit Me.

 

He was the King!!!!!

 

 

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