Tedster Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I'm not talking about the kind of solo that comes in a break...I'm talking about the "screaming guitar only" solo that you usually only hear in a live performance. Opinions? "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLife Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruupi Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Bite your tongue Tedster. My soundclick site: http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=397188 My YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/user/gruupi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tedster Posted August 11, 2006 Author Share Posted August 11, 2006 Just wanted to hear it from you guys... "Cisco Kid, was a friend of mine" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revolead Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Nah. The new version of a solo is just because the guitarists suck. Now they play with their effects pedals and make funky noises. If they could play a solo, they would. Shut up and play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zephyr Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I agree with Revolead, if a guitarist had the capability to play a solo, they probably would, except that would be pretty rare today. Never argue with an idiot. They'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=810593 http://www.myspace.com/dandelavega Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 No. I do have to say I don't really solo anymore. I am working on serving the song more and me less. I was an insane bass solo guy. Loops with built up parts, loops with solo on top. They said I was the best in the area at one time. Not just Sac, the bay and nor-cal in general. I don't really know about that. Made it hard to stay in one band. The metal seance was thinning out at the time. I am going back to "relearn soloing" right now. I want to be able to transcend as a musician when I solo. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdrs Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Revo hit the nail on the preverbial head! Where are all the great guitarists?? I think they are blue grass dudes..... Don "There once was a note, Pure and Easy. Playing so free, like a breath rippling by." http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=574296 http://www.myspace.com/imdrs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by Tedster: I'm not talking about the kind of solo that comes in a break...I'm talking about the "screaming guitar only" solo that you usually only hear in a live performance. Opinions? Rereading I see something I missed. Do you mean guitar without band? Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miroslav Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by Tedster: I'm talking about the "screaming guitar only" solo that you usually only hear in a live performance.I thought they went out back in the late 70s. I've got a solo in almost every song I'm currently working on in the studio... ...but my solos are more the "break" solos after a couple of verses...and often in the tail end. Sometimes for a few bars...sometimes longer...depending on the song. And they are there in support of the song...I try not to just whittle away, disconnected from the rest of the music.... miroslav - miroslavmusic.com "Just because it happened to you, it doesn't mean it's important." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 My solos are exactly where they are placed in the cover songs I do. Pretty much the same as the original. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by ellwood: My solos are exactly where they are placed in the cover songs I do. Pretty much the same as the original. That is cool. I never learned to do that. It is something I want to work on. I am fairly sloppy. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shoes Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 One thing I've likely done for vanity more than anything is to learn the leads in covers exactly as they were recorded. I figured that if everything else fell to hell on the ground I'd be able to scrape up some respect for at least that. Typically numbers were chosen around my lame inability to do anything else but that I have, by consequence, developed a voice and relatively sound sense of direction so my leads are not just handy dandy break fills but more highly textured and meaningful on their own. My influences mostly come from bands with keyboard players. It changes things significantly and fewer bands are composed of friends who met at college or university where they studied (and dropped out!) as music majors. Find a group today with a solid keyboard player and you'll likely find a guitarist who thinks more constructively or deliberately when plays a lead. ... that's my take and perhaps I'm nuts but I'm a child of that era and it's where I'm happy. Stupid but happy. I still think guitars are like shoes, but louder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I didn't answer the question, no I don't think they are passe. Shoes I agree with you on your comment on playing with a keyboard player. http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picker Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Look, if a guitar solo had never touched my heart, maybe I'd feel like they were self-indulgent wanking too. But guitar TOUCHED me, touched me enough to make me want to play, and solos in particular. I LOVE the sound of a screaming guitar lead, or a or the chuckle of a strat neck pickup doing a clean, Hendrix-y intro, and everything in between. All of it, man, I LOVE THE SOUND OF GUITAR. And I don't give a crap what some grunge-addled punk rock bonehead has to say about virtuosity he'll never have. Play on, man, play on and on and on. Always remember that you are unique. Just like everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Kamehameha Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 That is exactly how I feel. This is tied for favorite quote of the day (tied with a very inappropriate song to the tune of "Frosty the Snowman). I think that in a lot of music today, you just don't find much true beauty or real talent and I find that in classic rock, surf, and blues stuff, and the music inspired by that, which lives on today. Guitar solos are still great. If they're done with feeling. "My two Fender Basses, I just call them "Lesbos" because of the time they spend together in the closet."-Durockrolly This has been a Maisie production. (Directed in part by Spiderman) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairfarmer Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I believe what Ted is asking refers to "spot light" solos. Ya know?...everybody walks of stage and the guitarist takes off on a 2-3 minute solo at ear-bleed volume? Not passe' at all...they still exist in the live shows by guys like Zakk Wylde, Steve Vai, and some of the reunion group tour shows. I do one that last about 60 seconds at the end of one of our originals. It's definitely nothing like it use to be. Tom Scholtz, Neal Schon, Gary Richrath, George Lynch, and on and on. It was almost expected during the rock shows of the 70's and 80's. OT: Bridge soloing kind of even got to be passe' somewhat toward the end of the 90's, but luckily some new cat's came along and started writing solo's in their songs. That's one element that I think will always exist as long as there's guitarist with ego's. Kerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Revo hit the nail on the preverbial head! Where are all the great guitarists?? I think they are blue grass dudes..... Agreed.. I think for me a rock unaccompanied solo is a thing of the past for guitar. Unless someone has incredible taste, sensibility/tone they don't impress me. Most rock players who do those solos are 80's shred wannabees. And in the 80's people did it better unbelievably--maybe cuz it was still cool then.. Someone sent me a John Petrucci link of him live. It just didn't seem new or better than the guys doing it 20 years ago. Nothing groundbreaking or unique. The only difference was that his tone was worse because it had too much preamp distortion. I am no Petrucci expert, just referring to his unaccompanied soloing with TONS of distortion. Eddie was groundbreaking because you felt like he was giving you something you have never been given. You don't have to be Eddie circa 1978 to do a cool solo, but you do have to know what has been done before. Effects are cool I think. Especially if someone uses them musically to make a new sound or texture. Picture controlling feedback with a chorus/wah--the warbling shrieks... Tons of options really. I just hate to hear the same old wanking shredfest in 1 key. Or worse, 'neo classical' with some minor arpeggios and a couple diminished/harmonic minor runs. Thats almost as gay as the medieval shirt that HAS to be worn at all times while playing this--no? I want to hear a musician/guitar player who cares about his solo. Who expresses him/herself. Where it isn't about showing off cliche technique, but forwarding a musical idea, where speed is only part of the scheme. What is technique? Hard question. Really it is like what is God? (ok simple for some) Personally I believe it is combination of things but HOW YOU PLAY IT is a huge part of it. You can play a bunch of shit good, or fast but technique is beyond that. It is how you play it. Can you play it this way, or that way, ETC. Rythm is a huge factor. How you play rythm. Good bluegrass guys have this. I love Bela Fleck, he is a banjo guy but he can blaze on guitar too. He is like the EVH of banjo in his attack and timing sensibility. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by flagshipmile: Revo hit the nail on the preverbial head! Where are all the great guitarists?? I think they are blue grass dudes..... Agreed.. I think for me a rock unaccompanied solo is a thing of the past for guitar. Unless someone has incredible taste, sensibility/tone they don't impress me. Most rock players who do those solos are 80's shred wannabees. And in the 80's people did it better unbelievably--maybe cuz it was still cool then.. Someone sent me a John Petrucci link of him live. It just didn't seem new or better than the guys doing it 20 years ago. Nothing groundbreaking or unique. The only difference was that his tone was worse because it had too much preamp distortion. I am no Petrucci expert, just referring to his unaccompanied soloing with TONS of distortion. Eddie was groundbreaking because you felt like he was giving you something you have never been given. You don't have to be Eddie circa 1978 to do a cool solo, but you do have to know what has been done before. Effects are cool I think. Especially if someone uses them musically to make a new sound or texture. Picture controlling feedback with a chorus/wah--the warbling shrieks... Tons of options really. I just hate to hear the same old wanking shredfest in 1 key. Or worse, 'neo classical' with some minor arpeggios and a couple diminished/harmonic minor runs. Thats almost as gay as the medieval shirt that HAS to be worn at all times while playing this--no? I want to hear a musician/guitar player who cares about his solo. Who expresses him/herself. Where it isn't about showing off cliche technique, but forwarding a musical idea, where speed is only part of the scheme. What is technique? Hard question. Really it is like what is God? (ok simple for some) Personally I believe it is combination of things but HOW YOU PLAY IT is a huge part of it. You can play a bunch of shit good, or fast but technique is beyond that. It is how you play it. Can you play it this way, or that way, ETC. Rythm is a huge factor. How you play rythm. Good bluegrass guys have this. I love Bela Fleck, he is a banjo guy but he can blaze on guitar too. He is like the EVH of banjo in his attack and timing sensibility. That is why I posted this Hot Buttered Rum! Free download!! Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gifthorse Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 You know I only have 3 albums and all of them are Bela Fleck. One of them is from the 70's I think. http://flagshipmile.dmusic.com/ http://www.myspace.com/gifthorse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pollock Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Well, if you mean "passe" as in 'antique or out of fashion" the answer is probably yes. As for popular music today, guitar solos are hard to find. But in most "alternative" - (unconventional [ NOT POP music ] ) forms of music today, definitly no. my band: http://www.blujavu.com www.myspace.com/blujavu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Hey, free download? Choose the whole download if yo on Mqc. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Honestly, I don't do the big solo because, very simply, I haven't written it yet. I'm not going to wank off for a minute and a half without saying anything, so I'd rather just wait until I'm inspired enough to write a 90-second solo piece and then execute it live on stage. BTW - that should answer your question - I'm never, ever impressed or entertained by a 90-second wankfest. So yes, I would perceive most "solo" sessions to be passe.... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griffinator Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by flagshipmile: Someone sent me a John Petrucci link of him live. It just didn't seem new or better than the guys doing it 20 years ago.In all fairness to John, this is something his audience expects of him. Why? He's a frickin' guitar god! He's been on the G3 tour. He executes riffs you and I wish we could play - not because we want to copy him, but because we'd love to have those skills... A bunch of loud, obnoxious music I USED to make with friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MILLO Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Hmm, interesting... They're actually less passé than they were 10 years ago, in the post-Nirvana 90's. Solos and guitar melodies are coming back in rock and pop music, most definitely.Yay! EDIT: Oh, I ACTUALLY read your post. Well, in the rock circles: Hell yeah they are passé, thank all the gods!!!!.... Let's face it, to make such a thing "good music" would require more skill and sensibility than most rock players have. I think Zakk Wylde still does it, as they described in that GP article... and to be honest I feel no need to experience it, judging by the licks that came out of that article. If I wanna hear a bunch a frenzied fast licks w/o rhyme or reason, I'll just go get one of those shred instructional vids w/ some wanker showing off. I can imagine a guy like Eric Johnson doing a good one, or if it's Joe Satriani playing his "Brother John" tune, then that's great, even Alex Lifeson's "Broon's Bane"... but to go out and bust the same licks you've been doing in the songs' solos, but w/o making any sense and w/o the need to follow harmonic direction and/or tempo, like most rockers did in the 80's just for the sake of trying to impress a bunch of impressionable screaming kids w/ their speed and give them an even worse case of tinnitus... C'MON!!! "Without music, life would be a mistake." --from 'Beyond Good and Evil', by Friedrich Nietzsche My MySpace Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleaze_Disease Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 There's nothing better than a George Lynch solo at ear-splitting volumes!!! I don't care if they are passe or not, I love me some screaming guitar!! Lyrics-wasted time between solos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillydor Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Sometimes guitar solos do seem about as meaningful as nailing a custard pie to a wall. But if you can nail a custard pie to a wall with a little panache, then I say go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darklava Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by Zephyr: I agree with Revolead, if a guitarist had the capability to play a solo, they probably would, except that would be pretty rare today. I don't know you'd be surprised at how good some of these guys are,they hold back for some stupid reason like maybe it is passe or maybe thats what the record company wants.Can't remember what guitar player was asked to not play so good.... Reb Beach...Vito Bratta...i can't remember. No!! its not The story of life is quicker then the blink of an eye, the story of love is hello, goodbye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Ellwood Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by Picker: Look, if a guitar solo had never touched my heart, maybe I'd feel like they were self-indulgent wanking too. But guitar TOUCHED me, touched me enough to make me want to play, and solos in particular. I LOVE the sound of a screaming guitar lead, or a or the chuckle of a strat neck pickup doing a clean, Hendrix-y intro, and everything in between. All of it, man, I LOVE THE SOUND OF GUITAR. And I don't give a crap what some grunge-addled punk rock bonehead has to say about virtuosity he'll never have. Play on, man, play on and on and on. +10 Picker! you nailed it! I say if you have the chops to stand and deliver the goods on a solo, and then you want to criticize solos that's fine but if you can't do it and don't have the chops don't make excuses for a bad case of Lack o chops http://www.thestringnetwork.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xplorer Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I havn't seen alot of spotlight guitar solo's in a while. I think they were becoming passe in the mid 90's. Thank Seattle. It's too bad, I loved a nice rotating solo. RHCP were great for kicking out mean solo's. As far as solo's contained in songs... people were straying away from the guitar lead and letting the rest of the song composition do the talking instead of that one highlight moment. Guitar leads up to recently have been becoming passe and even non-existant. Well, that's bogus as far as I'm concerned. Guitar leads can be the soul of an otherwise lifeless corpse of a song. Who are these jackasses that decided guitar leads were lame? Even more, where are they now? If you guy's are having trouble finding guitar leads in todays music, maybe you should be looking toward heavy metal. Leads are back, and better than ever. Heavy metal is becoming, again, one of the genre's of music that demands smooth, accurate, and thoughtfully composed leads. The days of covering up shitty playing with mounds of god awful grunge distortion are over, and the caliber of music and musician is rising dramatically over the past 5 years, and hopefully the shitty metal bands that have been treading water in the sea of MTV will soon drown. Trivium, All That Remains, and Between the Buried and Me all are wicked bands with great leads. What a horrible night to have a curse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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