Metal Players, how do you rehearse?

[Hardtail]

Originally posted by guitarzan:

no hope for me, unless i get a brain transplant.

I just heard him fire off this brilliant legato burst and said to myself.... I have a long way to go.

[Guitarzan]

i wouldn't mind having his custom made Yamaha SG hollowbody.

[Gifthorse]

We've pretty much established that you guys don't appreciate loud and over-compressed, distorted sludge tone.

 

Now, I still like heavy distortion. Having listened to 80's metal groups after having heard modern offerings, the distortion used by Judas Priest and Iron Maiden always sounds tinny, and pushed low in the mix for me (Iommi's comes off okay, I think). That's the recordings, anyways. I've heard bands live who've obviously screwed up their distorted tone because I can't tell what the hell they're playing. But I can appreciate heavy distortion.

 

If I'm playing metal, I want there to be a thick, scary, thud when I hit the strings while muting them with my left hand. And that's completely muting it, allowing no room for ultra-high pitch harmonics or partially ringing strings. You can't get that at relatively low levels of distortion, no matter how hard you attack your guitar (save for taking a brick and smashing it I suppose).

So much of that thick distortion you are referring to is the proportional mix of the band. Drums wiegh in at the top. The guitar tones are a result of the rest of the mix.

 

I disagree, you cant get heavy attack if you play like that. I play 12 string and I can play metal riffs on it that sound very heavy. It isn't distorted, but when I plug into my Bivalve I can get huge tones that have plenty of chunk. But I know that is in my hands first. Beyond that it is the material you are playing, and the proportion of the mix with drums.

 

Like to me a cool example is VH I On Fire where it breaks down before the solo. Totally heavy and intense, not that distorted by today's standards. The drums are heavy.

[Hardtail]

What kind of cab are you using for your BiValve?

[Guitarzan]

Originally posted by flagshipmile:

We've pretty much established that you guys don't appreciate loud and over-compressed, distorted sludge tone.

 

Now, I still like heavy distortion. Having listened to 80's metal groups after having heard modern offerings, the distortion used by Judas Priest and Iron Maiden always sounds tinny, and pushed low in the mix for me (Iommi's comes off okay, I think). That's the recordings, anyways. I've heard bands live who've obviously screwed up their distorted tone because I can't tell what the hell they're playing. But I can appreciate heavy distortion.

 

If I'm playing metal, I want there to be a thick, scary, thud when I hit the strings while muting them with my left hand. And that's completely muting it, allowing no room for ultra-high pitch harmonics or partially ringing strings. You can't get that at relatively low levels of distortion, no matter how hard you attack your guitar (save for taking a brick and smashing it I suppose).

So much of that thick distortion you are referring to is the proportional mix of the band. Drums wiegh in at the top. The guitar tones are a result of the rest of the mix.

 

I disagree, you cant get heavy attack if you play like that. I play 12 string and I can play metal riffs on it that sound very heavy. It isn't distorted, but when I plug into my Bivalve I can get huge tones that have plenty of chunk. But I know that is in my hands first. Beyond that it is the material you are playing, and the proportion of the mix with drums.

 

Like to me a cool example is VH I On Fire where it breaks down before the solo. Totally heavy and intense, not that distorted by today's standards. The drums are heavy.

you are a wise man.

that is so true.

[Griffinator]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by Hard Tail:

I didn't even know metal players rehearsed.

They do HT it just doesn't sound like they do!

Now, tell me again you don't have a thinly veiled derision towards metal, and that your initial post barely masked it.

[Guitarzan]

here is a REAL metal band rehearsing before a gig..

 

[Ricardo.]

I'm now going to reply in the style made popular by the internet: a point-by-point attack on the post. I find it annoying.

 

So much of that thick distortion you are referring to is the proportional mix of the band. Drums wiegh in at the top. The guitar tones are a result of the rest of the mix.

 

No, I'm talking about times when even the drums stop beating. The only reference I made to distortion is regarding the noise it makes when all strings are completely muted.

 

I disagree, you cant get heavy attack if you play like that. I play 12 string and I can play metal riffs on it that sound very heavy. It isn't distorted, but when I plug into my Bivalve I can get huge tones that have plenty of chunk. But I know that is in my hands first.

 

You're right, but I already attributed distortion as a result of the hands. I'm well aware of it, as it's posted every single time distortion is discussed. I'm talking about what happens after you're hitting the strings hard. I can get into the notion of a distortion that reaches levels where you're fighting your guitar to pull good sounds out of it. Where just touching it sets off cacaphony. And that's what I'm referring to. At this point, it becomes closer to an effect like a flange or a wah. And like a flanger, it doesn't always work better the more you use it or the higher you set it. But like a flanger, used appropriately the results are superior.

 

Like to me a cool example is VH I On Fire where it breaks down before the solo. Totally heavy and intense, not that distorted by today's standards. The drums are heavy.

 

On Fire also comes up every time distortion is discussed. It is heavy, and I suppose many find it to be the optimum comfort level for distortion and heaviness. But I'm not sure what you mean by referencing it; that 'heaviness' can be conveyed with a lower distortion level with a kickass band? But does that mean, say, Pantera is a lesser band for their approach? What is disputed? I don't contest that power can be conveyed without a Boss pedal. I don't think anyone on here does, actually. I just think that if you can pull it off, go ahead and roll up the gain.

[Ricardo.]

Originally posted by Griffinator:

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by Hard Tail:

I didn't even know metal players rehearsed.

They do HT it just doesn't sound like they do!

Now, tell me again you don't have a thinly veiled derision towards metal, and that your initial post barely masked it.

Ellwood has a derision towards a variety of musical stylings. Griffinator, you in turn have said before that you hate 'pentatonic wank-fests like Freebird,' right? Hate towards another's music is going to happen, I guess. But as musicians, let's be above judging people based on what music they listen to and leave it to the 'moron masses,' alright?

[Griffinator]

Originally posted by Ricardo_F:

Ellwood has a derision towards a variety of musical stylings. Griffinator, you in turn have said before that you hate 'pentatonic wank-fests like Freebird,' right? Hate towards another's music is going to happen, I guess. But as musicians, let's be above judging people based on what music they listen to and leave it to the 'moron masses,' alright?

Fair enough.

[HAVOC 51]

Band rehersals/practices are done at a reasonable volume.

 

My solo practices are done unplugged or through my guitarport on the pc. In fact most of my writing these days is done through the guitarport/riffworks and e-mailed to everyone else.

 

Strange world we live in.

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by Griffinator:

Originally posted by Ricardo_F:

Ellwood has a derision towards a variety of musical stylings. Griffinator, you in turn have said before that you hate 'pentatonic wank-fests like Freebird,' right? Hate towards another's music is going to happen, I guess. But as musicians, let's be above judging people based on what music they listen to and leave it to the 'moron masses,' alright?

Fair enough.

A couple of morons doesn't make up a 'mass', but I hear what you're saying!

[Dr. Ellwood]

"Now, tell me again you don't have a thinly veiled derision towards metal, and that your initial post barely masked it."

 

Where exactly did I say I liked metal? I asked a question in the original post, did I have to like metal to ask the question?

[thanny XIII]

metal rocks. black metal is even better. Say otherwise and i roast your children on stage.

[MILLO]

Originally posted by ellwood:

"Now, tell me again you don't have a thinly veiled derision towards metal, and that your initial post barely masked it."

 

Where exactly did I say I liked metal? I asked a question in the original post, did I have to like metal to ask the question?

He didn't say you said you LIKED metal.

[Bluesape]

Sigh! I'd like to see this thread burn itself out. Intervention on my or Craig's part isn't called for yet, but it needs to get civil again - FAST!

[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by MILLO:

Originally posted by ellwood:

"Now, tell me again you don't have a thinly veiled derision towards metal, and that your initial post barely masked it."

 

Where exactly did I say I liked metal? I asked a question in the original post, did I have to like metal to ask the question?

He didn't say you said you LIKED metal.

Huh? well yeah? of coarse he didn't because he already knew I don't like metal, that was never the issue with the original post. The only issue was the original question, which was answered, everything else that followed was additive and it went where it went through conversation like all posts do. It makes no difference at all that I don't like metal the question was still valid.

[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by thanny XIII:

metal rocks. black metal is even better. Say otherwise and i roast your children on stage.

Case and point.

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by thanny XIII:

metal rocks. black metal is even better. Say otherwise and i roast your children on stage.

Case and point.

It's hard to tell what your point is Ellwood. Maybe one day you'll grow a pair and just come out and say what you think about metal. I guess it's hard being a nice guy and a biggot at the same time.

[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by Xplorer:

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by thanny XIII:

metal rocks. black metal is even better. Say otherwise and i roast your children on stage.

Case and point.

It's hard to tell what your point is Ellwood. Maybe one day you'll grow a pair and just come out and say what you think about metal. I guess it's hard being a nice guy and a biggot at the same time.

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

[J. Robert Rennix]

Originally posted by ellwood:

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

Actually, the idiom is spoken " case in point ", not "case and point". But you better calm down there, old fella. I think you need a drink. Care for some "hater-aid"? http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/icon/haterade-49177.jpg

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by Xplorer:

Originally posted by ellwood:

quote:

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Originally posted by thanny XIII:

metal rocks. black metal is even better. Say otherwise and i roast your children on stage.

Case and point.

It's hard to tell what your point is Ellwood. Maybe one day you'll grow a pair and just come out and say what you think about metal. I guess it's hard being a nice guy and a biggot at the same time.

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

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[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by J. Robert Rennix:

Originally posted by ellwood:

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

Actually, the idiom is spoken " case in point ", not "case and point". But you better calm down there, old fella. I think you need a drink. Care for some "hater-aid"? http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/icon/haterade-49177.jpg

Well it's Case (as in a legal case) and Point (as in Point made, causing a end to the the Case) it's also used inverted as in Point and Case, get it right or don't post, and it sounds like you already had quite enough to drink, I'm pretty sure it's not me who needs the calming down, take a look at the dialogue, does that tell you anything, maybe not? based on your last post.

[Justus A. Picker]

Jeez. Who cares who likes what music? I like some metal, hate some and I'm mostly indifferent to the genre. I like the Beatles better than the Stones, Yes more than Genesis, Bach better than Mozart, think Willie rules, Garth is a poseur and rap gives me a migrane. If you disagree, I'll get over your obvious lack of taste.....

[J. Robert Rennix]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Well it's Case (as in a legal case) and Point (as in Point made, causing a end to the the Case) it's also used inverted as in Point and Case, get it right or don't post, and it sounds like you already had quite enough to drink, I'm pretty sure it's not me who needs the calming down, take a look at the dialogue, does that tell you anything, maybe not? based on your last post.

Ah ... so the judge and jury now use a points-based scoring system? How does that work? Six-points for each successful motion? One point after for an objection sustained? You're talking out of your ass, Ellewood. I knew the correct usage was "case in point", yet I linked to an etymology for the phrase to prove my point. You cannot say the same. You are wrong. Admit it, please.

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by J. Robert Rennix:

Originally posted by ellwood:

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

Actually, the idiom is spoken " case in point ", not "case and point". But you better calm down there, old fella. I think you need a drink. Care for some "hater-aid"? http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/icon/haterade-49177.jpg

Well it's Case (as in a legal case) and Point (as in Point made, causing a end to the the Case) it's also used inverted as in Point and Case, get it right or don't post, and it sounds like you already had quite enough to drink, I'm pretty sure it's not me who needs the calming down, take a look at the dialogue, does that tell you anything, maybe not? based on your last post.

LOL, Get it right or don't post. Case in point.

[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by Xplorer:

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by J. Robert Rennix:

quote:

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Originally posted by ellwood:

You don't know what Case and Point means? Your lack of education is not my problem it's yours. As far as saying what I think of metal goes? I've already done that a number of times, or do you mean you think I should use some swear words? is that how you do it? Ok I can tell you are a very tough guy so I will be careful here.

Actually, the idiom is spoken "

case in point

", not "case

and

point". But you better calm down there, old fella. I think you need a drink. Care for some "hater-aid"?

http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/icon/haterade-49177.jpg

Well it's Case (as in a legal case) and Point (as in Point made, causing a end to the the Case) it's also used inverted as in Point and Case, get it right or don't post, and it sounds like you already had quite enough to drink, I'm pretty sure it's not me who needs the calming down, take a look at the dialogue, does that tell you anything, maybe not? based on your last post.

LOL, Get it right or don't post. Case in point.

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And your point was? Case in point is used in one way to denote one set of circumstances, Case and point is used to describe another, is that somehow to complex for you?

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by ellwood:

And your point was? Case in point is used in one way to denote one set of circumstances, Case and point is used to describe another, is that somehow to complex for you?

Ya, it's getting way complex. I'm getting the phrases your've invented confused with the english language. I think I'll stick to what I know, and do as you suggested, "get it right or don't post". Case in point: when you typed, 'case AND point'.

 

Man you were so Wrong!

[Dr. Ellwood]

Originally posted by Xplorer:

Originally posted by ellwood:

And your point was? Case in point is used in one way to denote one set of circumstances, Case and point is used to describe another, is that somehow to complex for you?

Ya, it's getting way complex. I'm getting the phrases your've invented confused with the english language. I think I'll stick to what I know, and do as you suggested, "get it right or don't post". Case in point: when you typed, 'case AND point'.

 

Man you were so Wrong!

Well no, I would have been wrong if I would have meant to use Case in point and used case and point, this is true. But what you fail to realize is that I meant to use case and point, I already explained that. Another person commented he thought case in point would have been more appropriate, but that is just a personal decision. I could have said case and point made.. but there was no reason to do that, the other person got the meaning, you didn't. His link to the etymology of the phrase only applies to what he would have used, not what I used or might have used. In actual fact my words didn't refer to the phrase he chose at all.

[Xplorer]

Originally posted by ellwood:

Originally posted by Xplorer:

Originally posted by ellwood:

And your point was? Case in point is used in one way to denote one set of circumstances, Case and point is used to describe another, is that somehow to complex for you?

Ya, it's getting way complex. I'm getting the phrases your've invented confused with the english language. I think I'll stick to what I know, and do as you suggested, "get it right or don't post". Case in point: when you typed, 'case AND point'.

 

Man you were so Wrong!

Well no, I would have been wrong if I would have meant to use Case in point and used case and point, this is true. But what you fail to realize is that I meant to use case and point, I already explained that. Another person commented he thought case in point would have been more appropriate, but that is just a personal decision. I could have said case and point made.. but there was no reason to do that, the other person got the meaning, you didn't. His link to the etymology of the phrase only applies to what he would have used, not what I used or might have used. In actual fact my words didn't refer to the phrase he chose at all.

Wrong