Holy lord that tone!

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Howdy yall, Ol'boy here. I have recently moved my amp and speaker cab to a small room in my garage and played. I was stuned, Shocked, And in need of new underwear. The amp produced more harmonic overtone then i have ever heard, Was warmer and more responsive then i have ever heard, And overall a completely better tone. My conclusion...The room. I was origanlly playing with the same amp in my bedroom which is a good size bedroom, The speaker was facing out to me. The room i am stunned over is about 5wide,10long and 8high. I faced the speaker towards the wall on accident, And as soon as i strummed i knew something was differnt. I struck one string, And immeadiatly after that string was struck thelush harmonic filled the room. I dont know if it has to do with a wooden cabinet built above it in the small room or if its facing the wall, Or if its just the room in general. Somone PLEASE help me out on this one, I need an explination before i make love to my amp and speakers!

[Ricardo.]

Your room for sale?

[Ricardo.]

SPAM! We're not buying your garage Rivers

[caprae]

We used to play the acoustic guitars in the laundry room in the barracks. Something about small rooms and lots of reverberations to make you sound real big.

[Ol Boy Rivers]

LMAO! IF i could make money off of this baby i would, BuT It is actually a part of a garage. IT used to be an old office, Now its my new jamroom. My frigin' hands are still shaking from the tone it gave me. Give me a while and ill put it on tape with a condenser mic'.

[AeroG33k]

Someone needs a reverb pedal? ;-)

[AeroG33k]

Seriously though, I've noticed the same effect when playing acoustic in some rooms. Isn't that why many small amp's have reverb effects these days? To make the sound bigger by giving them that resonant "hall" effect?

[Scott Fraser]

Kinda like singing in the shower stall. Lotta early reflections just make everything sound nice & fat. That's a pretty small room, which can sometimes have just the opposite effect, but it sounds like you have the right combination of live walls (but not too live) with some other stuff in the room to break up standing waves & slapback echoes. Have fun, & be sure to have somebody deliver meals at regular intervals.

 

Scott Fraser

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Lol@scott. Yeah, god knows im gunna be living in that room from now on. So...Now this is weird. Your saying if i remove anything that is in that room the sound that it can create is gunna change?

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Originally posted by AeroGeek:

Someone needs a reverb pedal? ;-)

No aero, It actually gives me natural reverb as well. I seriously need To MIC this room and then send yall a copy of some blues song. But uh...I need to get a condenser mic so i can. SO give me some time once more and ill send it in.

[Fumblyfingers]

I got an idea.

 

Wait till late at night when it is all quiet, dead quiet like. Then using a good quality microphone record a few seconds of silence in the room at various points. Center, corners, sides etc. Edit these waveforms for length and name them and save to a disk.

 

Now you can sell these samples to amp modeling manufacturers like Line6 and Guitar Rig and whoever. I would call the sample library " Killer Room Tones".

 

Just think how much money you could make and also how cool it

would be for guitarists around the world to be able to add your room tone to their amps.

[Caevan O'Shite]

Maybe it's more reflective than your bedroom (which probably had a lot more sound-absorbant stuff in it like a bed, bedding, rugs, curtains, clothes in a closet, etc.), and also happens to have a pleasant resonance to it...

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Yeah Fumbly, I can see it now. Wine is raining from the heavens! Allright, This is an update on the weird extremly awsome tones this room is giving me. After playing i decided to watch my strings, And discoverd something. The second string( The one next to low E )vibrates WAY more then the other strings in a...Weird sort of pulsating way. So, i open plucked everystring and found out the wound strings are yeilding way more harmonic then the other strings. Seven' chords, And low barchords are reciving more attention then single nots. SO now i need to play above the twelve and see what that does for me. I found an old mic, It isnt a condenser BUT i have a 4 track recorder so ill hang it form various places and then transfer them onto th computer. Be back in a few hours yall!

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Originally posted by Ol' Boy Rivers:

Yeah Fumbly, I can see it now. Wine is raining from the heavens! Allright, This is an update on the weird extremly awsome tones this room is giving me. After playing i decided to watch my strings, And discoverd something. The second string( The one next to low E )vibrates WAY more then the other strings in a...Weird sort of pulsating way. So, i open plucked everystring and found out the wound strings are yeilding way more harmonic then the other strings. Seven' chords, And low barchords are reciving more attention then single nots. SO now i need to play above the twelve and see what that does for me. I found an old mic, It isnt a condenser BUT i have a 4 track recorder so ill hang it form various places and then transfer them onto th computer. Be back in a few hours yall!

Allright yall. Short and simple single string strikes. Two clips, One directly from the amp, The other from the room ( My Mic worked like a charm and it sounds GREAT )So give me a little dinner time and ill figure out how to post up those clips!

[Scott Fraser]

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Definitely, moving anything in the room will change the sound because the pattern of reflections will be altered. It might be so subtle as to be imperceptible, though.

 

Scott Fraser

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Wow, allright scott, thanks. Well yall..Ive been at trouble shooting for about an hour now, trying to get this bloody file to record so i can post it up but OFCOURSE its being a Gonad. SO! Suggestions anyone?

[Justus A. Picker]

Originally posted by Fumblyfingers:

I got an idea.

 

Wait till late at night when it is all quiet, dead quiet like. Then using a good quality microphone record a few seconds of silence in the room at various points. Center, corners, sides etc. Edit these waveforms for length and name them and save to a disk.

 

Now you can sell these samples to amp modeling manufacturers like Line6 and Guitar Rig and whoever. I would call the sample library " Killer Room Tones".

 

Just think how much money you could make and also how cool it

would be for guitarists around the world to be able to add your room tone to their amps.

Convolution Reverb! Here's a cool article on capturing impulse responses:

http://www.noisevault.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22&Itemid=33

They use a similar method for capturing the tonal characteristics of different mics, amps, compressors, etc.

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Awsome Justus. Yeah, ill look into that for sure. But my fourtrack can " Buss? " A signal to left and right. Im not sure if that stereo or not, But it fills both of the speakers in the car so thats ill i care about. Ill look into that sterio thing though, as well as capturing the rooms " Qualitys " Thanks yall, and im still working on those sound clips.

[Rampdog]

5wide,10long and 8high

 

Same dimensions as the jail cell in Ensenada Mexico I stayed in back in 72. Outside of the flatulence from my two cellies, the accoustics were nice in there. The Federales took my guitar though so I never had a chance to try it.

[Big Red 67]

Originally posted by Ol' Boy Rivers:

Yeah Fumbly, I can see it now. Wine is raining from the heavens! Allright, This is an update on the weird extremly awsome tones this room is giving me. After playing i decided to watch my strings, And discoverd something. The second string( The one next to low E )vibrates WAY more then the other strings in a...Weird sort of pulsating way. So, i open plucked everystring and found out the wound strings are yeilding way more harmonic then the other strings. Seven' chords, And low barchords are reciving more attention then single nots. SO now i need to play above the twelve and see what that does for me. I found an old mic, It isnt a condenser BUT i have a 4 track recorder so ill hang it form various places and then transfer them onto th computer. Be back in a few hours yall!

Sounds like the room has a B mode. The resonant frequency of the room is B. Closed cab I bet. Allot of closed cabs sound better when miced from the back. That may be what you are hearing?

[Ol Boy Rivers]

'Ell if i know. All i know is that the room sounds good. SO! i need to clean it up and get all my stuff outside. Still working on those files yall, Thanks for all the help on the room!

[Scott Fraser]

Hey Starcaster,

Thanks for changing your avatar. I hated that hunk of meat!

 

Scott Fraser

(Well known vegetarian & eater of tofu)

[Ol Boy Rivers]

Tofu, Haha.

[Fumblyfingers]

Ol' Boy, at least take some samples with all the crap in the room before you move it. That way when you listen to the sounds of silence with junk, you will be able to compare it to the sounds of silence without junk and have those differences on hand, should you want to include them in the library.

[Ol Boy Rivers]

True true fumbly, Good advice that i didnt htink about. Ill keep it inmind when i start to Redo the room to make it look a little decent.

[mdrs]

Hey Rivers, Rooms are alive. Some sound good. Some don't. There are tons of books about building studios the all look for some scientific way to describe what it is that gives "that amazing sound". Bottom line is, if you find a room like that, hold on to it!! I found that in my house, the central TV/living room sounds amazing. The only problem is that when I play there, it tends to drive my other family members away!!!

 

One thing about that small room. Watch your ears. Small rooms deliver a lot of energy to your ears. I have a hiss in my ears curtisy of playing too long and too loud in a small room. Perhaps you can mic your amp in the room, and play outside of the room????

 

Don

[Ol Boy Rivers]

MRDS now that you mention it when i crank on that volume knob a little to hear my strings really talk i notice my ears overbear. SO i think ill take your advice and keep it down ( Even on low volumes the " Jamroom " is still sounding likea beaut'. But yeah, Ill watch my ears as ive got alot of life to go and plan and using them things for the most of it, Thanks for the advice.

[Fumblyfingers]

Ol'Boy, I used Auralex sound foam to make my studio sound better. It works to a degree, but if you want to get serious you can make your own treatments for cheap.

 

Go here

 

Scroll down to bass trap plans.

 

This guy has some awesome info here on how to make a room sound good and what is going on with sound waves etc

Very knowledgeable!

[Ol Boy Rivers]

I like the way the room is just as. I dont think ill even been slapping up Puddy on the walls, ITs that great! Grantit, My Neices little Pink Barbie Jeep is probally going to get the boot. Bet everything in the room sounds great. I think it MIGHT have something to do with an old old old Compression horn cabinet i used to use as a work bench. ( Its 3 feet high, 3 feet wide and 2 foot deep ) Im not sure though, Further research must be done!