rw2003 Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Some latter stuff... Kind of interesting to watch... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqyKE5DIFrU&search=led%20heartbreaker "Spend all day doing nothing But we sure do it well" - Huck Johns from 'Oh Yeah' Click to Listen to Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squ Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Definitely not his peak... Red Red Rockit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo. Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 I'm curious; Heart has a song called "Heartbreaker" yet I'm pretty sure it's not the same song. But I'm sure Heart must've been aware that Led Zeppelin had a song with the same name out since they once covered "Rock and Roll" live... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squ Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 Yes... sometimes songs have the same name. There is nothing wrong with this legally. Red Red Rockit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 <> No, sounds like a real off night, & his tone isn't up to par either. The whole problem I have with the Page-Plant enterprise is that it rather assumes that those two WERE Zeppellin. Comparing this clip to anything off the How The West Was Won collection makes it pretty apparent how important Jones & Bonham were to the chemistry. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wangbar Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 No doubt that Jones & Bonham were an important part of Zep's sound. However, I found nothing wrong with the playing of the bass guy and drum guy in this video. Page's playing was really bad though. I find that sad as he was one of my favorite players in the day. He was always kind of sloppy live. Once in awhile he would pull off some stuf that would put you back in your chair though. I think he's just better in the studio. Wang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 <> No, they were just fine, but they were accompanying Page & Plant, rather than collaborating with them, as Bonham & Jones were. I felt that Bonham & Jones pushed & challenged Page & Plant, whereas these guys are very capable players, but also they are employees. << Page's playing was really bad though.>> He reminded me too much of myself in this clip. Lot of fumbling for notes & not quite getting there. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo. Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 reply to Squ> What I find strange is that Heart should've been fully aware of Led Zepp's song of the same name. Why not just pick a different name? Just my musings... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rw2003 Posted June 5, 2006 Author Share Posted June 5, 2006 Starcaster... Did Heart record a song called Heartbreaker? I don't know their catalog that well, but maybe you're thinking of Pat Benatar's Heartbreaker? That song was a big hit. Nice guitar work by Neil Geraldo. "Spend all day doing nothing But we sure do it well" - Huck Johns from 'Oh Yeah' Click to Listen to Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squ Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 I think you're right rw. Anyways, Starcaster, can you think of a better name for the other "Heartbreaker" than "Heartbreaker?" It IS repeated very often, and it is the first word of the chorus. Red Red Rockit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antimatter Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 I believe that video is from the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary Concert. John Paul Jones is playing bass and Jason Bonham is on drums. FWIW, it's a lot better than the 85' Live Aid show they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rw2003 Posted June 5, 2006 Author Share Posted June 5, 2006 Interesting that its Jason Bonham on drums. I always wondered why Led Zep didn't reform with him playing in for his dad. You know, imo, this video ain't so bad... i just watched it again! Maybe its the recording, but I think Page's tone could have been a bit better. He seems to be using his regular backline of older Marshalls - wonder what the story was. We need these guys to reform for a tour. "Spend all day doing nothing But we sure do it well" - Huck Johns from 'Oh Yeah' Click to Listen to Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg B. Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Originally posted by Scott Fraser: He reminded me too much of myself in this clip. Lot of fumbling for notes & not quite getting there. Scott Fraser That's me, too. Fumblin, bumblin, rumblin, stumblin...He...could...go...all...the...way...but he doesn't! Avoid playing the amplifier at a volume setting high enough to produce a distorted sound through the speaker-Fender Guitar Course-1966 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 << I believe that video is from the Atlantic Records 40th Anniversary Concert. John Paul Jones is playing bass and Jason Bonham is on drums. >> Bass player seemed kinda young to be Jones, but I haven't seen him in a long time. Apparently when they were auditioning replacement drummers the one guy who came closest to replicating Bonham's feel & sound was Jason, but he was only a teenager at the time. If that is him in the clip, he's perfectly competent, but somehow just doesn't push Page & Plant quite like Bonham did. Then again, at this point, Page & Plant aren't what they used to be in '75 either. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rw2003 Posted June 6, 2006 Author Share Posted June 6, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpC6djbF86s&search=Jason%20bonham Here's another video from the same show. Stairway to Heaven. Apparently it is John Paul Jones on bass and Jason Bonham on drums as Plant introduces them at the end of the clip. Watch as Page is playing the solo on the 6 string side of his double neck guitar. It seems that he's reaching for a bit more tone/overdrive from his setup. "Spend all day doing nothing But we sure do it well" - Huck Johns from 'Oh Yeah' Click to Listen to Oh yeah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Heart where/are big Zepp fans. That maybe why the name was Heart-breaker. They did a cover of "Rock 'n'Roll" that was smokin'. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fogman Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I haven't heard that in ages. It really rocks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 That was some crap. So much missing. I have heard him do so much better. It was a credit that Plant did so well in this performance. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBBPaul Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 I'm embarrassed for them after that performance. I had the wonderful opportunity to hang out in a bar with Jimmy Page and Robert Plant (true story!) about 7 years ago. Page was distant, preoccupied and spacy the entire time. Plant OTOH, was lucid, friendly and entertaining. This performance kinda reminds me of that. Our new and improved website Today's sample tune: Lonesome One Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Reminds me of a Dylan show I saw. Too drunk to recognize the songs. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 <> Sure enough, that's as close to the real Zeppelin as can be had. But they really sound unrehearsed. <> It's as if his fingers just won't do what he's aiming for. At the end of the Stairway solo he shoots Plant a look that seems to acknowledge he's having a rough night. Too bad, I feel bad for all of them. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatarkus Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-CCTlZ6z4&search=led%20zeppelin%20stairway%20to%20heaven this is a really good live performance of stairway also while i'm at it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXstvXu5sPs&search=dream%20theater%20in%20the%20name%20of%20god the solo on this song is awesome. carpe diem, seize the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Fraser Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 << http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-CCTlZ6z4&search=led%20zeppelin%20stairway%20to%20heaven this is a really good live performance of stairway>> The difference between this & the previously posted clip is staggering. Everything about this performance is just vastly better than the tired 90's revival. When they were good, they were great. Interesting to hear Page play the last verse on the 12 string, overdriven. Great tone, & I believe, no pedals. Scott Fraser Scott Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guitar55 Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Right from the beginning of the second video you can hear how much better his clean tone is on the six-string neck. On the solo he actually has GAIN. In the first video, the tone on the solo is totally clean, thin, weak. I think a tech might have f'd up the setup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squ Posted June 6, 2006 Share Posted June 6, 2006 Man... I want me one of those guitars. Red Red Rockit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Okay, First I have listened to ""Stairway" too many times in the last two days. This is so much better then the other posted version. Plant started the hip hugger craze that we see today. It is really cool to see the intro with no drums as tight as it is, and JPJ playing the flute part has been left out of the posts so far. He really does a great job. I was left with the impression that they were getting a little Grateful Dead in the intro. Ahhh, the sixties man. Overall I enjoyed this clip compared to the others! Tate Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WornNeck Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 Heart did a song called "Heartless" I think. And did JPJ ever play a flute on "Stairway?" I know he played it on a keyboard, but didn't know he played flute. He was a pretty good mandolin player too. "I've been imitated so well I've heard people copy my mistakes." - Jimi Hendrix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 He played it on keys. He did a relly nice job on both clips. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Red 67 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 I was listening to a Zepp album, Presence. I know that part of the tone that is missing live is the room that he recorded in. Big Red's Ride Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquatarkus Posted June 9, 2006 Share Posted June 9, 2006 I'm pretty sure John Paul Jones did the intro on a bass recorder and played it live with a mellotron. I'll have to go rewatch the clip again to see what he does here. carpe diem, seize the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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