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Hello Johnny,
I believe your issue is not a real issue, but a function called "program Recall" , please write me at f.verni@viscount so I will easily find the answer with the team!!! ù
Grazie!
BTW, we have released tha alt.clones (as in the old legend) but also there are some specials coming on July 30th... I am sure you will appreciate!! Also, a new release on the Soul with new functions and few adjustments ( for example the pedal expression can be smoother).
At your disposal as usual!
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39 minutes ago, HammondDave said:
Wow… I have not heard sophomoric name insults like that since the last news cycle.
Of course they don’t use 1950’s technology in the Soul. I think you may be mistaking a bit of cynical humor with a lack of intelligence.
Comparing boutique clone products with reasonably priced ones is a losing argument. For the average musician, these high priced instruments are only a dream for weekend warriors who make $80 a gig. I have more respect for companies like StudioLogic and Crumar who make great products that are affordable for these musicians.
It also makes me suspicious when manufacturer representatives who may have a conflict of interest commenting on this board.
Dear Dave,
Don't you agree that saying that 9 contacts system (in your opinion) means “… 8 more things that can fail" is denigratory in some way?
Without considering any brand name, I strongly believe that you need experience to judge. Experience means that you know very well what you are talking about... That's why I immediately take the opportunity to explain that actually you pointed out a very important NEW point that other clones don't have. We have no rubber contact, so no wear now. This no branding, it is just a technical truth.
There is nothing of not correct here.
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39 minutes ago, Adan said:
Francesco will know the correct answer, but my guess is that it depends how many drawbars are out on the Soul. All out, the key triggers at the very top, no play at all. This is, of course, real Hammond behavior. I'm not sure I fully understand the depth trigger adjustment but it seems like the highest drawbar always triggers at the top and other drawbar tiggers can be adjusted to some degree.
Yes Adan, thank your for this statement. Real hammond behaviour..
Moreover, with this new dual core organ, we have the possibility to improve it in all the features. One of those, is the random contact sequences, as you know.. while pushing a key on hammond, the 9 contacts close togheter but not always in the same way, so there is a sort of randomness... and we will this feature too.
Sorry for my english, sometimes it is hard to explain technical questions😝..
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30 minutes ago, JohnDoe said:
Hi Francesco!
More questions:
Does the Legend have higher triggerpoint than the Soul?
Will the coming sim/ C/V updates for Legend fit into the existing editor?
Where can I find the editor for Soul?
Ciao John,
the trigger point concept changes here a little bit because is adjustable, depending on where you want the first contact begin to sound. So it is editable, there are presets made by us, but of course, you choose
Yes, it is an update, so i am quite sure you will have the same editor working
The Soul and the future Rotary speakers will have one dedicated editor each.
The Soul editor will be realeased in these days..
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12 hours ago, Delaware Dave said:
And the Mojo has features like a new Acoustic Piano, modeled Rhodes, Wurli, Clav D6 that the Soul doesn't have; making it "potentially" a one-board solution, at least alot closer to a one-board solution than the Soul. There are blues gigs where those 4 instruments plus the organ/leslie are all I need to play the gig.
That's why my reply said "my two cents"; those other features have no real value for me; I don't care about adding Wah Wah to the organ or other funny things; in fact you can go into the Mojo and add Wah Wah if you wanted as an effect now. My point was, those other features aren't worth $1900 additional to me.
Again, my two cents (now I'm up to 4 cents).
Thanks Dave for your detailed opinion.
you are right when you say that this is not a “all in one” solution, the 9 contact patent has been developed because Joey and our team basically taught that this would be the greatest improvents in “coming closer” that feeling, reproduce that feeling that only an old drawbar organ can gives you. Very purist oriented..
Thinking about the sound, warmer ,thinner..louder… and the instrument behaviours (Leslie sim, drawbars settings,percussion etc etc).. I personally believe that every company has arrived at a very high level/ price . That s why Joey guided us trough this innovation, knowing him, I think no one alive had his Hammond knowledge and sensibility. Making a step ahead..
So it insert it in a high level clone line (xk5) with several software features and a special hardware feature. And also, I agree with you about the music genre, you probably don’t need it.
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Dear Dave,
not yet. The Solo now will be updated with the C/V and Sim.
I will be happy in receiving your taughts. 9 contacts system on a single manual would mean a single manual more expensive than the Solo. In my experience, many players who play the Solo are rock - funky oriented.. so I am wondering.. would it be a good move to have 9 contacts system in a single manual in your opinion?
thanks for your suggestions
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1 hour ago, Adan said:
Maybe Ham-on-Dave knows better but my understanding is the "9 contacts" in the Soul are not physical contacts, but rather a magnet system, so no additional moving parts and no metal-on-metal friction. I wouldn't necessarily expect that to be a risky component.
As I said above, I had a hard time choosing between Soul, SKXPro, and Mojo Classic. I'm a Crumar fan, currently owning a Mojo 61 (but it's on the other coast right now) and a Seventeen, and formerly owned a Seven. I think the Mojo is a great clone, and the Classic costs significantly less than the Soul. However, regarding reliability, Viscount is far more confidence-inspiring. They're a larger and more well-established manufacturer. The Soul exudes quality in every button and knob. The hardware on Crumar products feel second-rate. The buttons on my Seventeen feels especially cheap and sometimes don't work. The volume knob has no resistance and so it's easy to overshoot your target. The internal power supply on my Crumar failed after 6 months and so I had to be sent a new unit under warranty. I sold the Seven to a friend who later told me he had to replace the motherboard twice (but sill loves and gigs with it). So when I read the online complaints (including from our own David Bryce) about Crumar reliability, I believe them. That said, my Mojo has never had a problem. It's about batting averages, and you can't judge that from reading anectdotes on the web.
As for keyboard feel between the Mojo and the Soul, I don't think that's much of a deciding factor because they both feel great and both significantly better than the unmodified Fatar in the Electro or Legend Live. They do feel different from each other. The Mojo feels nicely sprung, but only sprung. The Soul feels closer to semi-weighted, and to me feels just a bit more like a real Hammond (even though a real Hammond is not semi-weighted, so I realize that may read as a weird comment). But again, they both feel great, and preferences may be subjective.
I left my Mojo in California (wait, could that be the title of a song?), so I can't put it side by side with the Soul to compare sounds. I think that would be necessary to making judgments about which sounds better. Same amplification route, similar settings, etc . .. They both sound so good, I think it's a tough comparison and subjectivity will play a large role.
Dear Adan,
nice point of view.
Basically, there is less risk than the other clones. We have no rubber, so no contacts wear along the years. That's why I strongly believe that it is necessary to have a try before criticize, or at least have good informations about the object.
In general, have two dsp instead of one, standard of all the clones. Betweeen the Legend Soul and the current Legend organs there is a big difference in terms of computing calculation capability too. I don't know what H/S does in the XK line, which is the premium line, as the SOUL for Viscount. Moreover, the keybed and the feeling. While every company can/will reach a reliable sound (subjectivity is very important in the end...), also the Simulation, C/V, effects...( it is possible to reach), what is hard to recreate is the hammond feeling. taling about the Soul keyboard, I feel calm and sure in saying that there is no competitor, it not subjective anymore
In the next months we will see more feedbacks, and I am confident that we will have its position in the "clone map" very clear in our mind..
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On 3/31/2023 at 4:52 PM, HammondDave said:
“9 Contacts”?… 8 more things that can fail. I wonder how that sounds?It seems prejudice to me 😂
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2 hours ago, Adan said:
Thank you Francesco for participating in this thread. Is there an english version of an owner's manual available?
Yes, you can find the first release user manual attached. But please, consider that we will update it soon. You know that when a new instrument comes out you (as a company) have to consider to adjust the refine...
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We are working on the release for the current Legend, Live and Solo. Yes, our idea is to offer for free the updated Leslie sim and Vibrato / Chorus basically
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On 2/3/2023 at 9:15 AM, Dockeys said:
Is this actually available in a store yet? Lots of videos but no sign of it in the wild and didn’t they also say they were going to update the original Legend series with a similar software update to the newer Soul?
Not yet. They have just left the factory. After Joey loss, we had to complete his instrument without him.. but thanks to many friends the result under your hands will be great.
It will take few weeks more to arrive in US. But everyone who had the possibility to try the new keybed, said that's "the one".
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Dear Al,
you are right when you say that the instruments are made for musicians. But please, you have to consider that every company needs compromises.
Someone loves the wheels in that position. It is not an error, it's a compromise.
However I really appreciate to read the "flaws"... the best way to solve them and make Viscount better and better.
9 hours ago, Al Coda said:Yes, I understood and a fix by firmware update would be welcome,- if possible.
And I agree 100% on the keyrange thingy too.
But, you know,- they have their beta testers and other employees controlling everything before release and no one cares for these mistakes, design flaws,- or call it whatever you like.
These people are (hopefully) musicians !
I often have the impression they focus on "piano" only.
It´s like in the early 90s when, from the perspective of the manufacturer or their marketing team, every synth had to have a "good" piano patch.
And what crap that was !
Like in the past, these toys cost thousands of bucks and when I buy something, I don´t have any interest waiting for all the updates promised,- especially not in my age.
I´m not in the 20s anymore.
And the Viscount Legend 70s already HAS a big design flaw,- the 2 wheels to the left and their arrangement.
Which idot thought that would be a great idea ?
It´s close to the stupidity we found in other keyboards w/ only ONE wheel,- a Mod-Wheel ...
On the Legend 70s,- when the instrument were a bit wider,- the wheels were arranged as they should and we were possibly able to get the synth-module into the 88 version as well,- all together w/ the other existing modules incl. the ext. MIDI module.
OTOH, I didn´t understand why the ext.- MIDI functionalty required an individual module at all.
IMO this functionality belongs to a/ the master module anyway.
I also don´t understand why designers create an electronic keyboard instrument for that price and w/o external MIDI-Out control,- just try to sell that as an option.
To me, that´s unbounded cheek.
You know, there´s now a keyboard w/ a great array of front panel controls and a flat top, inviting you to put another instrument or Midi-modules on top,- and then you have to buy a MIDI-Out module.
And when you got all the other modules (except synth) before, you don´t get the MIDI-Out in or have to swap something out for it.
I don´t get that,- it´s insane "modularity",- at least for me.
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A.C.
Dear Al,
actually the big design flaw ( wheels positioning) is called compromise. And I ensure you that many good players loves them at the end, grabbing their keyboard while playing.
However, thanks for the suggestions.... fixing and getting better is one of the key of modularity... 😁
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Hello Pawelsz,
The Legend'70s Compact (73 keys) and Artist (88 keys) have the TP100LR form Fatar while the Artist-W (88 wooden keys) has a customized korean keyboard optimized here in Italy (it works great!).
Ciao! From Italy
www.legend70s.com
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I consider the rivals... Only NS3 has the same section of the Legend... Am I wrong? Editable live from the Panel...
Which is the "Plus" ? IMO is that in the morning you have a vintage keyboards (i.e. Rhodes wurly sounds, great Clavi, acoustic piano and Strings or other sounds from Sound collection) and in the evening you can go in studios with (e.piano, A.piano, Synths and master keybaord... And what is the next module? Probably one new section that will give a new flaw to this naked keybaord. It sounds great to me!
You are right considering the fact the there are 5 slots and 6 modules. Probably solving this means make it the ultimate Keyboard 🤣
59 minutes ago, Al Coda said:For me,- the dealbreakers are:
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layout of PB- and Mod- wheels
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There´s no Legend 70 model hosting ALL the modules being offered available.
When you want the synth, you have to ditch another one or buy a 2nd instrument.
External module and all the other are essential,- at least for me.
The stuff from external MIDI module should be part of the mostleft "master module" and being available in every Legand 70 model "out of the box".
B.t.w.,- I really hate I cannot buy a Physis Piano K4 (non EX) model anymore !!!
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A.C.
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Well I agree. But consider those thousands spending in the red keys... consider those gig where the people listening to you are music lovers / or professional musicians. For sure, they are few but the more reliable in terms of high quality reaction to you, the more passionate and true. And using a plug in it is not the same of having your own instrument immediatly... you know the feeling with your beloved instrument ....😆 On the other hand, is beautiful and necessary to have portable instrument to bring live music to everybody, always.
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The Legend'70s Compact + modules in the videos actually costs less than 3000$. It depends on the model. The model played in the video costs around $2640 with cables, pedals and so on at Kraft....😉
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On 2/22/2022 at 1:51 AM, Phil Aiken said:
Resurrecting this topic. Does anybody own one? If so, I'm looking specifically for reports about using it with software instruments with both midi and audio. Is it reliable? Can you route the incoming audio through the effects?
General impressions also welcome.
I love the form factor. Would buy it without onboard sounds were it available, but would also be happy to have the onboard sounds for quick use. I think, just from demos, that the acoustic piano module sounds quite decent. Wurly fares better than Rhodes.
Also considering the Crumar Seven, which shares the flat top, lacks the audio interface, and does not seem to sound quite as good on faux acoustic or Wurly. Audio interface not crucial - Key Largo will suffice. Really nice if the USB audio can be routed through the effects, though. I actually prefer the height of the top of The Seven.
I am looking for the on board "good enough" for various situations, and to have its sound supplanted when warranted.
Current digital piano chores are handled by a Forte, with my favorite 3rd party Wurly and Mark I sample sets ( whose creator asked me not to name in this context) loaded into Flash memory, along with 2 Sampletekk pianos. (Sadly, not all at once - not quite enough Flash memory) Mostly I gig with a Wurly or Vintage Vibe as my bottom board - only use the Forte when I really need acoustics. The thing is....I REALLY prefer the ergonomics and aesthetics of a top board sitting directly on the bottom board over a two tiered stand.
I have never seen one in the wild, nor a Seven.
Edit: No Din midi out on the 7. Bummer.
Hello ! Francesco from Viscount International. I saw the topic and here is the link to informations (Website) : www.legend70s.com !
If you need any info...
Ciao!
Moreover, with this new dual core organ, we have the possibility to improve it in all the features. One of those, is the random contact sequences, as you know.. while pushing a key on hammond, the 9 contacts close togheter but not always in the same way, so there is a sort of randomness... and we will this feature too.
Viscount Legend Soul
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Yes, it is lighter compared to other clones, standard Legend included.