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3 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
It's a cheat. Leon can make anything sound great. 😉
Which probably means people should stop buying stuff and practice more instead! 😆
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Leon on Pianoteq 8. He's using the PX-S6000 as a midi controller.
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PX-S6000 Duet!
Presets used: Privia Grand, Taxi EP & JS Organ
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'Voyage' by Leon T | PX-S6000
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1 minute ago, ElmerJFudd said:
Excellent demo. Leon is a very athletic player and he undoubtedly built those fingers up from years of dedication to the instrument. Thank you for taking the time to test the instrument and share for those of us who don’t have access to one.
I’m even more eager to play one. The advertised price point of the 7000 is too hot for me. But an S5000 at 25.35lbs is of interest to me. Assuming at this point that the action is better than the previous version - are the 23 sounds on the 5000 the right 23 sounds to avoid needing to supplement with additional gear.
You're very welcome! Oh yes, it takes a lot of dedication to develop that level of control. Like you said though, at the end of the day everyone has to test the board for themselves to make that final decision. Nonetheless, it's good to get some feedback and see things from someone else's perspective.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and questions. I shared your post with Leon and he thought it'd be a good idea to actually record a few demos. Sometimes it's just hard to get the point across without visual help.
He has LONG fingers, and even he has to play close to the fallboard to accommodate for large advanced voicings. Also, towards the end of the video, he plays more demos that showcase the playability of these keyboards across the entire range/key length ...as well as the white vs. black key weight difference discussion.
Obviously one's hand size and playing habits would always be a deciding factor as well. Some musicians are not as flexible. They could even have trouble playing different acoustic pianos, let alone different digital pianos. Sometimes it's just personal taste that gets in the way.
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28 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
Helpful, thank you for that. So this may be only a slight improvement over the previous short key design in the 1xxx and 3xxx.
Wide chord voicings with their lowest tone on black keys put the player deeper into the keyboard toward the fallboard. Voicings where you use the thumb to bar two black keys in particular. Acoustic piano actions allow one to throw the hammer with enough force to sound the strings anywhere along the key. Many digital piano actions are able to replicate that behavior - some better than others. Some can’t and it’s usually due to key length and pivot point. It doesn’t come up in every key sig, or every musical style, or every song which is why bothers some more than others. If you play melody in octaves with order chord tones inside often, it’s irksome.
Here's two examples where you are deep on the key that come to mind.
I'm so glad you provided a very specific example. I will get back to you on this for sure.
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Here's a short demo for Stage EP (Casio S6000). It's preset #33.
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On 9/9/2022 at 2:42 PM, ElmerJFudd said:
If you have your hands on one now, could check something for us?
Repeatedly tap the keys, white and black, from closest to you and slow shift your way toward the back of the key. As you move toward the back does it become harder to press the key down and get a note to trigger? At the very back of the key is there an area where you can’t get a note to trigger at all or if you can is it noticeably softer (lower velocity)? This is a typical problem with short keys that’s apparent on the S1000/3000 and other digitals that opt for short keyed action.
Ok, so I tried that. Yes the further you go toward the back the key gets heavier....BUT it's only really noticeable when you're all the way back and actually touching the top panel. That would be the most un-natural and rather painful position to be anyway, so it's VERY easy to adjust and adapt. I even tried on purpose to play something that way, and it's just not how I play piano, be it an acoustic grand, a Kronos or Casio.
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Intakt and later Absynth -now Absent- were my first NI instruments. I'm still on NI Collector 12. I had no reason to upgrade to 13. Maybe I'll find something interesting this time.
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13 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:
If you have your hands on one now, could check something for us?
Repeatedly tap the keys, white and black, from closest to you and slow shift your way toward the back of the key. As you move toward the back does it become harder to press the key down and get a note to trigger? At the very back of the key is there an area where you can’t get a note to trigger at all or if you can is it noticeably softer (lower velocity)? This is a typical problem with short keys that’s apparent on the S1000/3000 and other digitals that opt for short keyed action.
I do not at the moment. Leon has it at his house. But I'll definitely bring it up when I talk to him.
You're right about that though. I don't think I've ever played any DP with short keys that doesn't have that issue.
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21 hours ago, ElmerJFudd said:
This is interesting, dynamic control appears to be wide enough, keys appear to move rapidly and notes repeat well. Hopefully a shop in my area grabs one for the floor. Do all of them have this action redesign? 5000,6000,7000?
Absolutely! It has good sounding pianos, and keys handle advanced techniques very well. Time will tell, if it's a durable keyboard, but for now it checks all the boxes for the price range. Such a beautiful instrument!
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Leon , my pianist friend recorded a wonderful demo for the PX S6000.
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Oh I think I forgot to mention my latest piano, 'Hammers + Waves' by Skybox Audio. I already have good sounding pianos, so why is this my new favorite? It's basically Noire on steroid. I like Noire's particle engine but it's more like a toy than anything else. It gets predictable very quick. Skybox has done a pretty amazing job with sound design aspect of the library. I can't think of anything else that comes close to it. Heavyocity has some obscure sound design piano libraries I think, but those are more like pads and drones. H + W is totally playable both as a traditional and sound design piano. If you just want to play piano, then this might be an overkill, but it's a perfect tool for composer types.
My friend Leon recorded a first impression no-talk performance video. It showcases little bit of both.
And this is a short composition using 'Dulcitone' from H + W
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On 8/20/2022 at 12:57 PM, drawback said:
I’ve been looking at The Giant… anyone with experience? Seems to be a good hybrid sound from what I can tell from demos.
I've used it for years. It's NOT exactly a general purpose piano like Noire, the Grandeur...etc. It has a very unique character with an exaggerated bass. Totally useful for certain type of recordings but you're not gonna play it everyday. I have an old demo.
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For me personally, his music is incredibly boring. I only know him because a popular piano channel covered some of his piano works. For the most part, if you listened to the first 20 seconds, you already heard the whole thing. I can't stand it.
Having said that, I have a lot of respect for ANYONE and EVERYONE who made it in the music industry. I also know for fact millions of people connect with that type of music and enjoy it very much. That alone makes him a great composer I guess.
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Ravenscroft and Ivory (Korg Module) are the ones that I seem to use more than other iOS pianos. I have an older iPad Pro that handles them pretty good. Though my iPad needs are minimal. I never layer multiple sounds/presets and use more than one sound at once generally.
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I'd be very interested in the 88 key as well. The usual problem with that is...if I get the 88, it'll never leave the house, but it'll be what I like to play. If I get the smaller version, it'll be meh....but I'll be able to use it for gigs from time to time.
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A friend of mine used to have one. D A N G E R O U S!
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It's probably best to revisit this thread than opening a new one.
It's been 2 years that I've been playing the S3000 and I still think the same about the keybed. While it cannot be compared to a high end keyboard, it's a very playable instrument in the price range. People have sent me that 'Casio keybed has a flaw' video a 1000 times. At some point I decided to take it to a local pianist friend and see what he has to say about it. He's a great musician and never seen or played any of these models before. At this point I was just curious to see his reaction in person I guess. It was fun! I didn't show him that video until he played it for a while and even ended up recording his own video. He agreed with me. Yes, the keys feel light but otherwise very responsive. There's no strange feel between the white and black keys. Excluding the VPC1, any hammered action keybed on any keyboard I've played feel light. I asked him to incorporate challenging techniques in different keys and see how it goes. The S3000 plays just fine. I don't even know if these models are discontinued or what, so this may not even be relevant anymore, but still wanted to share my experience.
This is my friend Leon playing his original composition on the S3000.
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14 minutes ago, Mighty Motif Max said:
I find the keybed to be absolutely terrible on the Go Keys models unfortunately. Not very velocity-sensitive by design. The sounds aren't bad, but the keybed ruins it IMO. At least you can (IIRC) turn the reverb down a bit.
I didn't spend a whole lot of time with it, but during that short time I was getting a lot of velocity jumps especially with piano sounds, so I have to agree with you. But again, I only spent a very short time with it.
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Well, if what you said is true, then that is a very good comparison for the cheaper one that is really not known for anything in particular...other than being a battery powered portable keyboard with a relatively small selection of bread and butter type of sounds for casual use.
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1 hour ago, ElmerJFudd said:
There are quite a few keys out that run on batteries these days.
Yamaha PS373Casio CTS1
Roland Go Keys
All of these sound much better than anything we ever had available at these low price points before.
Yes. At least this one has pretty convincing or playable sounds. Most people couldn't even tell the difference between this and Kronos if they listened to it through loud speakers with a band.
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A good pianist friend of mine owns one and showcased it to me a little bit. Some of the sounds are surprisingly good for the price! It comes with a power supply, but also runs on 6 AA batteries. There's one mini jack headphone output and a mini USB port for midi.
Later he decided to record a demo of various sounds for his YouTube channel. Here's the video in case anyone's looking for a small portable keyboard.
New: Casio PX 7000/6000
in The Keyboard Corner
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Unboxing/assembling the S7000 & Demoing Various Presets - By Leon