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Tried it again, sitting farther away, and it sounded cleaner at high volumes. The SPL meter on my iPhone read 94 db max. I'm liking it better. I had experiences similar to BJ's, related above. With a 60 watt Hartke bass amp as a subwoofer, it sounds great. Certainly a keeper. Can't wait to try it live.
What would be great is a control,that rolls off the frequencies below 100 hz, so the small speakers are not overloaded by those frequencies.
Exactly why I liked the roll off on the "outputs" of that Behringer Sub for $300, I am definately gonna get one to try. And BTW, a mixer may also offer a rumble filter that basically cuts LF below 100 Hz.
However at 94dB I do not think this is a big issue...but whenany amp hits it's ceiling of coarse you are gonna hear it in the LF first!
HMMM.... I'm interested to set what you find with the Beringer Sub. Will the roll-off really be a huge difference?
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So I got mine yesterday, anxiously set it up and started playing away. I have to say at this point, Im kinda on the fence right now. I started with the sk2 direct in , using the internal leslie sim. The SS3 will primarily be a leslie replacement, but of course using it for other sounds too. No matter what position I put it in, no matter how I set the volume, either louder on board and lower on amp, or vice versa, I was getting an unpleasant distortion from the swirling leslie ( obviously with all OD settings off ). Other sounds were fine. Trust me, I tried a lot of combinations of placement, volumes, high and mid and width settings,the volume was not high. BUT, I finally tried it with the neo vent in the signal chain, and the internal sim bypassed on the sk2, the distortion was much more tamed. don't know if its a setting I have on the leslie sim on the Hammond, but using other amps its ok, and using the vent on the SS3 seems to be ok, but not the internal sim ???/ I don't know if I have a faulty unit, I have 2 gigs this weekend, and another on Thursday night, will see how it goes. Ill report back.
Probably an internal setting on the SK2. Did you try it on the XK3?
I use an SK2 and swear the SSV3 was made for it!
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The width is not the balance but the actual volume level of the side speaker which of course alters the balance between the front speaker and side speaker. This adds more of the 'effect.'
My recollection is that the language you corrected was actually written by Aspen. But my hunch is that he used the term "balance" more as a short-hand term to discuss the relationship with the front speakers, as you basically suggest.
To be clear, my summaries above represent no independent analysis, but just an attempt to organize what others wrote (with very slight editing) so that the info is in one place, more or less.
Agreed. Width is used to balance the effect but is not a balance like a pan would be.
And I agree with Ham&Eggs too. The SSV3 is very simple. I can't wait to hear what the 87 of you who have waited so long will say in the next few days!
I live in Wilmington, NC and if anyone near by wants to hear it just pm me.
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Thanks cedar for the organization! Maybe mods can sticky those posts.
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Settings on the V.3
The width level sets the balance between the front and side systems. Use the Width control to balance the Side speaker level (L-R, the unique and "widest" parts of the stereo signals) with the Front speaker (L+R, or the mono compatible parts of the stereo signals). The wider patches will bring out more side level, and so you will hear far more pronounced differences b/w the various AP patches than you would in your former mono system.
The width is not the balance but the actual volume level of the side speaker which of course alters the balance between the front speaker and side speaker. This adds more of the 'effect.'
Ultimately this amp is not hard to use but just so different that it is difficult to understand without one in your possession. Once you hook it up, play some tunes, turn some knobs--you WILL understand it. This is one reason Aspen left off a mixer and other items and the controls are as easy as the 'effect' will allow.
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You'll need to tweak it to the new room but it is easy. Take it to the gig in the packaging and you'll be fine.
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Ditto. Due to the SSv3's unique design, much of what I thought I knew about speaker design, placement, etc. had to be re-thought. Keep an open mind.
Ditto of ditto.
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I ordered mine recently, mostly with a view towards using it in blues and funk bands.
But I also sometimes play jazz in small combos, including a duet with a guitarist or upright bass in a tiny room. For such a small room, I wonder whether the SS will be suitable, or whether I'd better off using my Alto TS 110A.
In other words, do you get much benefit from the stereo effect if the volume is very low and the room very small?
You get the stereo at low volumes.
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On Aspen's site the $599 was listed as early adopter but so is the $749.
It's worth it.
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Another test tonight, nice theater with both my Pink Floyd band and my "Deadhead" band sharing the bill. Huge stage, balcony area, lots of air. 500 tickets sold. Running stereo to the PA for all the sound FX. SS3 as my on stage monitor. The Deadhead band is 6 people and loud. We also have a horn section and backup singers coming out for the end of the show so there will be 12 people on stage- I have no doubt the SS3 will keep up. I'm not even bringing my K10. If I have a problem hearing I'll just move the SS3 a little closer and get it up off the ground some more. There are many monitor mixes and if anyone has problems hearing me they can get it dialed into their monitor, and the line array FOH system will more than cover my sound for the house. REALLY excited for this show, it's sold out, the debut of the Floyd band, and it's always a great time with the other guys, whom I've been playing with for 25+ years.
Have fun and let us know the results of the SS. If you can try the SS by itself before the show and see how far she carries.
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Hey guys, I'm doing some research to buy an amp for my sk1, I'm considering using the Center Point Stereo Spacestation V.3. I usually play in gigs with 150 people. The guitarrist with I use to play uses a 50W Fender Pro Reverb with distortion. In the band ussualy things get very loud and I'm afraid that the Pro station couldn't manage that. What do you think?
Besides that, I play the bass lines too in many bands (The doors and soulive style), do you think theSpacestation has what it needs to play very loud bass lines with mid and high semidistorted hammond sounds?
I think you'll love it! This thing was made for the SK. You may want some help on the bass lines but worth taking both amps for the awesome Leslie/CV you get. I use a new Fender Rumble 200 bass combo with a Rolls single channel crossover (Tiny Crossover). The new Rumbles are light, 15in combo is 34 pounds. Some people are using small subwoofers but most of them are near field subs and I wanted something more versatile. Also the Rumble has an aux input that is stereo 1/8in. That signal does not do through the crossover and sounds good when the tweeter is switched on. The SS is louder than you would think and it is clear (yes bass could muddy it) and it cuts through the mix. If you use a setup like mine you have 4 separate amplified speakers--forget biamped!
Also Aspen stands behind his products. I plan to buy a studio only one after the shipping gets caught up.
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when you guys lay the SS on its side arent you effectively covering up the open back of the side speaker thus changing the modeling of the enclosure and in effect the rear wave of said speaker(which contributes to the spatial environment)
I have it on its side on top of a KT-80 with some of the porting open. Sounds the same.
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Okay. I have a 7 by 14 room that I teach in with an upright piano and my SK setup. The SS is way loud in there and just tried lying the SS on its side on top of my Motion Sound Kt-80 (used as a sub with a crossover). Much better sound and I do not blow myself away with the side speaker which was pointed at me when standing up the SS. Good trick when in a very small space.
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I find that placement is not that crucial for the stereo effect and again you have the 'width' control. EQ may be the trick for AP and just having a sound that 'agrees' with the SS. And its not about spending more money on the AP sound.
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(FYI - page numbers in threads mean nothing. There is a preference setting on this forum that allows you to see a different number of posts in a thread than the default. I see this thread as currently having 19 pages due to that. If you want to refer to a post, the best bet is to use the link in the bar at a the top left of the post that looks like a piece of paper.)I think Aspen's reply on page 30 should be a marked in someway as a very important post, like a sticky but that's for threads I think.Oops, dang computers. Back in my day you had to have a room full of people to have a discussion.
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I think Aspen's reply on page 30 should be a marked in someway as a very important post, like a sticky but that's for threads I think.
GIG REPORT:
Outdoor in a 20x80 heated tent last night, no hard surfaces.
SK2 with LH bass with SS subout to Rolls crossover set at ~150 to Fender Rumble 200. This is the set up for me! I could dial in the stereo width and the bass to a tee. SS was on top of the Fender combo. Amps were right behind me off center to the right--loud but not deafening. I would have liked more room for the sound to blossom--a true character of the SS. I find the HF does add a scream to the Hammond SK tone, if you have a sound with those frequencies you can kill a dog with that tweeter, seriously my kid had turned that up and I was squabbling and thought I would be deaf for an hour. To hear it use the SK high EQ.
This morning I used the SS with my church's Motif FX8 on the 'piano plus oohs' sound (no sub) sounded great and clear. Balanced well with the baby grand piano too. (I wasn't playing I was listening.)
Anyway, still loving it, still planning to buy a studio only SS in the spring when the orders get caught up.
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From what I have read, and I probably missed/forgot some, it might be ideal to put the SS in front of the keys, low down, 6" or less?, or on the floor level?
And, to not use it as your monitor, mostly due to interference problems with the other band members?
Is it necessary to raise it off the floor? It sounds like not enough units are out there yet to really figure out these issues.
Paul
There are no problems with placing the SS on the floor, you get more bass response but a little less stereo--but you can add width.
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Maybe after the 25th Santa can spare some elves for Aspen.
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It's a good problem to have in that the demand has outstripped supply . Trust me it's worse the other way around !
No doubt!
I've been using the SS for mostly Hammond sounds--which is a great use of it. But yesterday I had a society gig with a sax, bass and drums and used the SS with the AP on the SK2. The 'bright stereo grand' was great. It's true that AP sounds are odd at first but I think if you stick with it you'll soon love it. Also it seems to sound better as you get some distance from the SS. Some musicians in the crowd were interested on how that stereo was so incredible and one said 'that Hammond has a wonderful piano sound.'
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I doubt this speaker should be $599 as it is now. I hope Aspen has some wiggle room on profit so he will continue to produce these and develop more items.
Great inventors can be their own worst enemy when it comes to money.
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Thanks for the info Aspen. I plan to order a second one when the production gets caught up!
I played using the SK2 and the SS last night in a loud room, 300 seater with a balcony. Ran the subout to the FOH and monitors and the stereo effect was still very strong. The keyboardist in the next band was blown away by the stereo and the Leslie!
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I'm thinking of using a simple crossover with the highs to the SS and the lows to a Fender Rumble 200.
Any thoughts? I do not have the crossover yet.
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I use the SS with the SK2 and my old MacBook with no issues with signal strength. (not at the same time)
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I know after all my posts I'm sounding like I work for Aspen.
Bob
HAHA! I quit posting so often for the same reason. If I did not have one I'm sure I would think 'Man, it can't be that good.'
Heads-up: SpaceStation keyboard amp is apparently back
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SS3 sub out is full spectrum. So you will want a cross over. But more important is to limit the signal to the SS3 if you want to use the absolute highest volume.
So the signal chain going through the sub first to use the 100 htz cut (rumble filter) then the SS3 is best.