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I installed it on my iPad last week and used it in church Sunday. It sounded good and where one the songs really started to build I dropped my left hand an octave to play the lowest C, D, and E (doubled with pinkie and thumb) and the bass response was very strong. The bass player doesn't like when I do that b/c that's his space but I couldn't resist. I am loving this new piano.
John
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I installed it a couple days ago and think it is their best piano yet. The general census over on the Pianoteq user forum and Piano World is positive. One guy who has a 280VC compared it to the real deal and said at times it was hard to tell Pianoteq from the real thing.
Here is a link to a nice demo and below that is a performance on a real 280VC.
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1 hour ago, Charles Hayden said:
Hello, Just want to know does the YC73 ship with the studio leslie effect already installed?
you might have to install the latest OS unless it ships that way. Not a big deal though. -
I just got my M8x a few days ago and find the action on light side. I also have a CP88 and it seems like a lighter/faster version of that keyboard. I haven't a chance to play it too much yet but did play around with the organs for a while and it seemed to work fine.
John
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Just the US site and it was still there:
https://usa.yamaha.com/products/music_production/stagekeyboards/cp88_73/index.html
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11 minutes ago, Jon G said:
I have a CP73. The keyboard is the BHS action - balanced hammer standard. To me, it sort of feels like a Montage 8 or XS90 or Motif 88 without the aftertouch (I also have an XS90). I don't own a CK88 but it has a GHS action - graded hammer standard, which is used in the MOX8, MOXF8, and MODX8 keyboards. I tried a CK88 out at the store and it felt ok but a few years ago I had a MOX8 backlined to me on a tour for a month. I got used to it but I didn't like it - it felt a little mushy. Maybe they've improved the GHS action over the years but I prefer the action of the CP73.
I have the same impressions. I have a CP73 and the action feels like the Motif XF8.
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16 hours ago, CHarrell said:
Are you talking about the distortion effects? I was looking for amp sims in the manual effects lists but didn't see any.
Yes, I was referring to the distortion effects (British Combo, etc.)
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21 hours ago, CHarrell said:
Thanks for the response! I briefly had a YC summer 2021, but I don't remember all of the details. Can you assign a different speaker/amp for each part? (Rtr A for Organ, Lead for Keys A, etc)?
The amp sim that is the front panel (Rtr A, B, Case, etc.) can be assigned to one part only. However, the Keys A and B effect slots have amp sims, distortion, and rotor effect you can select.
John
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5 minutes ago, CHarrell said:
Hi @Outkaster! I've seen you sing the praises of the YC multiple times, and I will soon be a YC owner myself. I was curious, what have you found to be the best way to navigate the different sounds? I used to own the CP, where if you wanted a clav you'd just turn on the E Piano section and turn the knob to "Clav", but in the YC, it's in a menu. Is there a nice and easy way to quickly navigate to sounds that are "buried" in a certain voice category?
I bought the John Melas librarian software which makes it easy to keep organized. I have many custom built Live Sets and like to organize them groups (all APs together, all organs together, etc) and the software makes this relatively simple. It also made it easy to back up the factory Live Sets, delete the ones I don't want, and make room for my stuff.
John
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45 minutes ago, AnotherScott said:
I haven't done it, but try Menu -> General -> MIDI settings -> Controller Reset. Change from "reset" to "hold." The pedal should then hold and use its current position when switching to a new Live Set, instead of resetting that value to maximum.
Correct, that works. I've made that change on my YC as I almost all of my piano and EP patches have a pad or strings or something underneath and it was a real pain to have to adjust the foot controller every time I change sounds.
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Similar to what I did for my YC61, I created and uploaded to Soundmondo several CP73/CP88 Live Sets which might be useful for some. There are three distinct Rhodes programs each created by layering two different Rhodes voices together for a unique sound. There are some 70s/80s type Poly Synths, Mellotrons and the obligatory Jump patch (as close as I could get it). I hope you find them useful.
John
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Ok, updated version of the first Fender Roads patch. I turned off the compressors, adjusted the EQ and lowered the velocity depth a little for both voices. I'll keep tweaking it, I never seem to stop tweaking my patches.
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You're right it's a bit bright. I don't notice it so much just playing the YC through phones but its apparent on the recording. Here's a sample of the Suitcase patch with a phaser on it. I made it a week ago when I didn't really know the song at all, but you can get the idea of the tone.
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So here's a short clip of the Fender Rhodes live set I just made playing a riff from around 0:20 into the video followed by some brief noodling that I just made. I don't actually know the song so excuse the lack of skill on the performance.
John
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Thanks for the feedback. For the patches called Fender Rhodes and Suitcase Rhodes I was trying to get a sound like on the Bob James video where he playing a Suitcase himself. To my ears, it pretty close.
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Hey everyone,
I finally got uploads to work between Soundmondo and my YC61. I uploaded three Rhodes patches that were created by layering two different Rhodes voices to get the desired effect. I compared the ones called Fender Rhodes and Suitcase Rhodes to that YouTube video of Bob James performing Angela (Taxi theme) with a Suitcase Rhodes in a trio setting and they sound pretty close to me.
There are also two Mellotrons, Strings and one designed to sound kind of like Watcher of the Skies. Two versions of Jump patches, several Poly Synths created by layering different combinations of synth voices with an FM organ. Also a big modular Moog lead sound. You should be able find my content by searching on my last name (Nadelin). Hope you find them useful. It was fun creating them, and I'm glad to be able to share them.
John
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15 hours ago, Al Quinn said:
I have the Librarian and Editor for the CP73 from John Melas. They’re good products. They do what’s advertised. Well worth the price.
However, I liked the way I could drag and drop patches to different locations with Nord’s Sound Manager. As best I can tell, the Librarian by Melas doesn’t provide that type of functionality and I wish it did. Patch management is kind of unfriendly without it. Nord makes it easy peasy.
I have the librarian and editor for the CP and YC as well. I am able to drag and drop patches and re-arrange them, but it does not update the CP in real time like the Nord software. What I do is first download all the live sets and save that as a back up. Then I save a new version of the same file and start re-arranging things the way I want them. When I'm done, I transmit everything back to the CP. Not as convenient as Nord but it gets the job, and I'm picky about how I like my stuff arranged and use lots of custom created live sets. Hope this helps.
John
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2 minutes ago, Dave Keys said:
Here's a question: I've got both the CP88 and the YC73 - don't suppose you can load patches between them can you?
So do I (CP73 and YC61 in my case). I'm pretty sure you cannot. I have the John Melas Librarian and Editor software for both keyboards on my laptop which allows me to upon and editor window for a particular patch and see all the parameters. I then try to recreate it as best as possible on the other keyboard. Of course, its not always possible to do so due the better effects capabilities of the YC, or the ability to use advanced mode on the PC for example. I have some big poly synth patches on my CP that stack three different synth voices to get some rich textures. Can't quite do that on the YC, but can get close with 2 voices and an FM organ. Hope this helps.
John
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On 4/11/2023 at 3:07 PM, JFN said:
I don't have the CP and YC next to each other at the moment so creating the CP patch will have to wait a few days. That said, I did open the Gentle Hamburg patch in the Melas editor and a JPEG screen shot of it is attached. From what I can tell, the key parameters are as follows:
Effect 1: Damper resonance depth/rate: 28/23
Effect 2: Compressor depth/rate: 38/55
Filter cutoff: 48
Tone: 16
The rest of the parameters should be visible in the screen shot. Like I said, I'll try to re-create the patch in my CP73 later this week and A/B them but the YC makes use of the filter cut-off which the CP does not support.
John
I finally created the Gentle Hamburg Live Set on my CP73 and got it to sound very close, if not the same as the YC version. I attached a single Live Set file here in case anyone wants to load it in their CP.
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8 hours ago, JFN said:
I have the YC61 and a CP73 and have the John Melas tools for both. I should be able to open the editor screen on the Gentle Hamburg preset on the YC and see how it's built. I'll have a better idea after that to what extent it can be ported to the CP. I'll let you know after I've had a chance to look into it.
John
I don't have the CP and YC next to each other at the moment so creating the CP patch will have to wait a few days. That said, I did open the Gentle Hamburg patch in the Melas editor and a JPEG screen shot of it is attached. From what I can tell, the key parameters are as follows:
Effect 1: Damper resonance depth/rate: 28/23
Effect 2: Compressor depth/rate: 38/55
Filter cutoff: 48
Tone: 16
The rest of the parameters should be visible in the screen shot. Like I said, I'll try to re-create the patch in my CP73 later this week and A/B them but the YC makes use of the filter cut-off which the CP does not support.
John
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1 hour ago, dickiefunk said:
Yes, I’m hoping it will be possible as this offers a thicker and more intimate tone contrast to the default Hamburg preset.
I have the YC61 and a CP73 and have the John Melas tools for both. I should be able to open the editor screen on the Gentle Hamburg preset on the YC and see how it's built. I'll have a better idea after that to what extent it can be ported to the CP. I'll let you know after I've had a chance to look into it.
John
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After updating to V1.3, I noticed the Voice List numbers were now incorrect for some of the voices. Where new ones were added, the previous voice numbers shifted by 1 or 2. Being the completest nerd-type that I am, I recreated the V1.3 voice list in Excel and exported it to a PDF. It is attached in case anyone is interested. Oh, and I took a few liberties with a couple of the names, such as calling the Hamburg Grand what it really is.
John
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27 minutes ago, Paul Woodward said:
@PianoMan51 This is where I messed up. There were a few nice live sets in the update, but I needed to reinstall my saved set list for rehearsals tomorrow. so I reloaded my saved list but I didn't save the sets that came with the update so....is there any way of loading a few of the new live sets without updating the firmware (again) and saving out the full (new) set list?
I use the John Melas librarian/editor and it makes it easy. I only kept around 10 or so live sets from the update. Once I figured out which ones I wanted, I put them in a separate library file. Then I reloaded my personal live sets, which fill all available slots so I had to find 10 to get rig of to make room, then I loaded the V1.3 sets that I liked and reorganized them so my pianos are all together, synths, organs are together, etc. It's a nice software tool to have and I used it with my CP73 and MODX+ as well. There is link to buy it on the YC page at Yamaha Synth.com I think.
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11 hours ago, AnotherScott said:
I'm hoping the CK Rhodes are from the YC/CP, and not from the MODX. Because at least without any "deep diving" (of the sort that is not available on the CK anyway), the MODX Rhodes are not as good as those. I'm not saying you might not be able to get them there if your editing skills are sufficient, I don't know. But at least out of the box, to me, the MODX Rhodes are not nearly as impressive as the YC/CP ones are.
Very true, and the reason the first thing I did with my MODX+ was load the Neo Soul Rhodes library. Problem solved.
Yamaha Montage M Piano's and Electric Keys vs. YC Series etc
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I have a Montage Mx 88 note and a YC88. They have the same piano models for the most part, but when I compare the same model, e.g., C7, Bosendorfer, etc., there seems to be more detail in the Montage M samples.