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    Daisy Chain (passive and powered) Monitors

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    1 hour ago, JamPro said:

    "The band has an old crappy mixer and amp."

     

    I didn't see any mention of a powered mixer in the OP's post - I assumed the OP's mixer put out a line-level output, and a separate amp was powering the passive speakers.

     

    But yes: if OP is using a powered mixer, the mixer's main outputs will be speaker-level, and therefore unsuited for connecting to a powered speaker needing a line-level input.  If the OP is using a powered mixer, the OP can probably get a line-level signal from the powered mixer via an aux output.

    The mixer is not powered. It goes to an amp. I should've clarified that. 

    Daisy Chain (passive and powered) Monitors

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    1 hour ago, JamPro said:

    The powered speakers will want a line-level signal (from the mixing board).  The passive speakers are going to need a speaker-level signal (from a power amp).  So you cannot daisy-chain powered and passive speakers.  But you can run them in parallel.

     

    Split the output from the mixing board: one line goes to the powered speakers; the other line goes to the amplifier and then to the passive speakers.

    East enough. Thanks!!

    Hammond Stopped Motorboating on its own?

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    10 minutes ago, mate stubb said:

    I have seen this happen before. The little metal fingers that grow can move if the organ is jolted or moved.

     

    I've been able to clear some organs by zapping, and others needed the scanner popped out, opened and cleaned.

     

    You can actually pull the scanner off the end of the run motor and open for cleaning without unsoldering any wires. 

    Now that you mention it, I did just move it to the other side of the room.

    Hammond Stopped Motorboating on its own?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    My C3 (59 I think) has been motorboating for years. I zapped the scanner once and it fixed it. Problem came back as expected so I knew I'd have to have the scanner rebuilt. I keep meaning to. just haven't got around to it yet 

     

    Anyway, yesterday all of a sudden, the C/V works just fine. Any ideas why this would happen?

    Which one to keep? Grandstage or Rd88

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    My ears are just exhausted now from hours comparing the two. I'd Ike to sell one

     

    I like the feel of the Rd 88 better. I think Iike the acoustic pianos better. And I like the synth pads better.

     

    The Grandstage seems to have a much better Wurly!! I love the Wurly in general (more than the Rhodes) and can't quite match the sound with the rd88. I think the brass on the Grandstage is better too and we use it for Spanish Moon.

     

    My ears are spent now, so here I am looking for feedback from you all. 

     

    FYI...

    My Grandstage is a 73, rd88 is obviously 88 and I have an Skpro61 (which I'm keeping) on top.

     

    TIA

     

     

     

    OT: IEMs daisy chained from powered speakers

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    Can a headphone amp, specifically, a pm55p, take a feed off a powered speaker? 

     

    The sound guy had a behringer xair running to 2 powered floor monitors. I took a feed of the 2nd one into my pm55p. I could hear but couldn't get the volume loud enough. Had to use the floor wedge. 

     

    Why might this happen?

    Any solutions for next time?

     

    It's hard enough to hear keys already, but  on an echoey stage, I need my IEMs 

    Key Largo Question

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    1 hour ago, ElmerJFudd said:

    No, L is L and R is R.  If you have to send FOH only 1 and you’re playing with a full band with bass player, give them the R.  FOH is going to EQ/Filter out your lows anyway - which tend to be more prominent on the L on many patches like  Piano, Electric Pianos, etc. 
     

     

    Good to know!! 

    Keyboard Amps?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    7 minutes ago, timwat said:

    There are two separate questions.

     

    You're asking specifically,

     

    1) "Does it make a difference going to FoH for the audience coming directly from the keyboard or key largo? "

    2) "Right now I either use a wedge, powered zlx12, or Shure 215 iems. Would it sound better for me on stage?"

     

    Sounding good to you on stage - only you can answer what you prefer. There's an argument that good IEMs will give you the truest representation of what you're playing with the least amount of coloration. Your 215s aren't terribly expensive, but they are good, and reasonably flat enough to be faithful enough. All monitors (vocal wedge, powered PA speaker, kbd amp) will color your sound in some way or another. And some folks like that. Other folks don't like IEMs when the rest of the band has amps. Other folks feel live playing is in the experience of loud amps on stage, etc.

     

    What you give to FOH is a separate issue. Best practice is to send the truest, cleanest signal you can give them without coloration. Then let a (presumably competent) sound person to fit your contribution into the overall band mix. The main outs of your Key Largo will do a very good job of this. Using a different tool to connect your keyboard to FOH (someone else's direct box, using a KC350 and mic'ing it, etc.) may not yield best results.

     

    Awesome info. Thank you!

    Keyboard Amps?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    41 minutes ago, ElmerJFudd said:

    If you’re playing B3 + Leslie cabinet type organ with a clone wheel that has stereo outs, your sound on stage will have more “motion” from a stereo amplifier like the Motion Sound or a pair of powered speakers - like PA monitors.  Sampled digital pianos will also sound better to you on stage with a dual amp system.  As well synth patches with stereo fx like reverb, Chorus, stereo delay.  
     

    How well this translates to the audience depends on how large a venue, is the PA supporting just vocals or all instruments.  Where people are located in the room, etc. etc.  

     

    Since there’s only so much you have control of - the consensus is if it sounds good to you from your perspective, that’s the best place to start.  
     

     

    Good points. Thx. We play small to mid size bars mostly. PA does keys, vocals, micd guitars, micd drums

    Keyboard Amps?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    Some mention that their clonewheels and other keys sound better through an amp, something like a motion sound kp500s or other motion sound.

     

    What are your thoughts?

     

    Does it make a difference going to FoH for the audience coming directly from the keyboard or key largo? 

     

    Right now I either use a wedge, powered zlx12, or Shure 215 iems. Would it sound better for me on stage?

    Skpro shrill upper octaves?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    10 hours ago, Jim Alfredson said:

    The new SK Pro is anything but shrill. Especially compared to the older SK series. I haven't made a tonewheel set or done any substantial tweaks to the SK Pro or SKX Pro since I got them because to my ears they don't need it. The high-end is lovely.

    Well you know your stuff and I won't challenge that. Perhaps it's my zlx's. I'm going in ears tonight. Haven't tried that in years, so we'll see

    Skpro shrill upper octaves?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    21 minutes ago, mate stubb said:

    If you go direct to FOH, you must correct the shrillness on the organ itself. Fine tuning the tonewheel taper can tame it. The problem with cutting high EQ is that it dulls down the key click (I like my click to spit.)

    How does one fine tune the tonewheel taper?

    Skpro shrill upper octaves?

    in The Keyboard Corner

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    Someone on our Skpro fb group suggested. At gigs, is this accomplished by mic'ing the amp? Or going into the board from the amp out? Or direct? What kind of amp?

     

    "Play it through a lo-fi speaker like an old keyboard amp.  Playing it through a powered monitor (a hi fi speaker) is the issue, i.e. what causes the shrillness."

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