[WSOP - why did Fisher use percussion in such a legato piece?]

It's not really noticeable to me in recordings 🤔

[Another stand thread]

Just to chuck another combo in the mix; a recently purchased Quicklok WS-550 table stand with WS-562 accessory bar which braces the two front legs and is needed as an  attachment point for the Z-727 adjustable 2nd tier. I bought it for its clean lines and for the vertical adjustment of the upper tier as I wanted to experiment with close placement of two boards (M-Audio controller and Nord Electro 4) . As expected I still had to drill extra holes to get the 2 boards touching with their keys offset in a "2-manual organ" configuration. 4 inches was the closest I could get between the key surfaces.  In that format the top board occluded the Electro's controls, but access wasn't really needed as both boards were MIDI'd to an HX3 organ module and I had some Ocean Beach drawbars for the 'lower manual'. All this just to practise some Hammond tunes. 😄

For my usual gigs, 2 more holes allowed close yet practical placement when seated (forearms level playing the top board) and Electro control access. While I like the look of the stand there are some gripes...

• The table stand folds into a T-shape that is slightly awkward to stow in the car and carry into a gig.
• The accessory bar and upper tier arms are best kept connected together to speed assembly of the whole rig. They form another shape that is awkward for packing.
• The bar connects to the table stand legs underslung, so you have to support its weight while dropping in the threaded bolts from above. The bolts are long and take a bunch of turns before they pull up tight. Setup does take longer than a folding X-stand.
• I have the upper tier adjusted as far towards me (the player) as possible. This places maximum leverage on the horizontal arms supporting the keyboard. I wouldn't want to place anything heavier than a light controller up there.
• The stand breaks down into 2 parts (4 if the upper tier was disassembled further) plus 4 securing bolts. How long before I lose a bolt? Not as convenient as an X-stand with upper tier arms where everything folds into one flat unit and even the bolts are retained.

I searched as to whether this stand had been discussed before and found mention of a modification by TonySounds, but unfortunately the link is dead

https://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthreads.php/topics/2373769/WS550_Mod_for_2nd_tier

If anyone has details they could repost...?  😘

 

Molto grazi... Jon

[What is the vertical distance between B3 manuals ?]

Thanks Mate! Terrifically similar to the one other reading I received from a FB group... 2 9/16"

The closest I can get with 2 clones is about 4"

[What is the vertical distance between B3 manuals ?]

Could a B3 owner measure up for me please? Need the vertical distance between the tops of the white keys.

Thanks!😘

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

Well that fix didn't last long 😔

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

An hour with a hairdryer wafting down the length of the keyboard fixed it... for now 😛

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

Uh-oh! It's happening again! Slightly different pattern; the same Eb's are clashing, two octaves apart as in my OP MIDI-Ox example, but now the semitone doubling is between the key (Eb) struck and the semitone below. Previously it was with the semitone *above. 🤪 Almost like a 'short' between adjacent keys, but why repeat 2 octaves apart? Could that indicate a fault elsewhere?

 

We have had days of steady rain recently and everything feels damp, which may be exacerbating the problem, but I think a strip-down and clean as suggested by Reezekeys is in my future.

[electric piano + leslie?]

On 2/15/2022 at 5:32 AM, SamuelBLupowitz said:

Acoustic piano through a Leslie shows up on a few 60s and 70s classics -- the first one that  comes to mind is Elton John's piano on "Dirty Little Girl" from Goodbye Yellow Brick Road. There's gotta be a Beatles track with Leslie piano too. "Birthday" maybe?

On Boz Scaggs's "Lowdown" too I suspect.

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

Thanks Reezekeys. A potential reason MAY be that I rebooted the keyboard after having done the factory reset. I was becoming less slow and methodical though and can't be absolutely sure that the reboot immediately did the trick.

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

Hold the phone! I hate it when things resolve for no obvious reason! But in this case my relief leads to making an exception 😄

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

Boo! A factory reset did not fix the issue

[Some keys on my Code61 playing 2 notes at once :(]

This began happening overnight. I've been using an M-audio Code61 to control an HX3 organ module for the past month without problem.  Then today (keys have been set up overnight) 3 keys are acting up; playing 2 notes at once, themselves and the semitone above. Weirdly the glitch repeats using those same keys TWO octaves above and below... the glitch skips an octave. I've attached the MIDI-OX output for just one of the 3 problem notes, Eb, played an octave apart. Ebs 2, 4, and 6 play a double-note. Definitely the Code at fault as I can hear the double-note whether the Code is controlling the organ module, an Electro or computer sound card.

I first suspected dirt under the keybed strip (an occasional Nord problem resulting in max volume from one isolated key) but the "every second octave" pattern wouldn't seem to to have such a cause?

Perhaps some sort of factory reset might clear it? I'll look into that, but any ideas are appreciated

[HX3 MIDI expander module]

I needed to replace the front panel on my HX3 Expander module. Since the knob seemed to be a sloppy fit onto its shaft I glued it on. Now the knob rotates for changing parameter values but won't move in/out for saving

 

I have to save using the remote software and computer.

 

Fortunately this isn't often required.

 

Yes I am an idiot. That is all

["Purple Rain" on NE4 -> HX3 -> Vent]

I haven't seen any HX3 love around in a while, so for those of you tossing restlessly & wondering what it sounds like

Inspired by Niacin's version...

 

[video:youtube]

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

Boo! My 2 mixer channels that have the compressor are both a single mono 1/4" in. The other jack is for insert effects. So I would need to use both channels in order to hear stereo... which is OK...channels are like my principles... I have others!

[Leslie Sim Electro 4, 5, 6..differences.]

I don't know if there is any improvement in Leslie in the later Electro models, but I do know that a Ventilator pedal (ver 1) made a significant improvement to my Electro organ experience, both on an NE2 and currently an NE4. The Vent removes the "mufflling blanket" from the raw Electro organ tone, providing noticeably improved output level, clarity, overdrive... .

Would be a cheaper solution than an Electro upgrade if you're just wanting improved organ (and who doesn't? )

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

My apologies for the confusion. The suggestion from the Yamaha forum was an alternative routing to the one I diagrammed above.

 

....

 

Ahhh.. sorry, as usual I was confused ... My advice â again â is keep it simple, don't spend big $$ on more gear, use what you have, get a female XLR to 1/4" TRS adapter and go with the setup you posted in your FIRST message of this thread. Use line in 1 or 2 to get the monitor mix from FOH, and try using the compressor on your board as a limiter â crank it up all the way to get the ratio as high as Yamaha lets it go, and adjust the input trim and the monitor send from the FOH board so you hear it start to squash at a slightly-beyond comfortable listening volume in your in-ears. Again - keeping all lines balanced between the keyboard & mixer and the FOH board might not be absolutely necessary on a smaller stage, but it'll guarantee you'll be ready for any playing situation where the line runs get longer â and all it'll cost you is the price of one adapter!

 

PS - get a stereo DI! You never told us what you use for a keyboard but I can almost guarantee you'll enjoy yourself a lot more on a gig. All-mono in-ears sounds like torture to me! (OK, that might mean this will cost more than the price of an adapter )

 

Stellar advice, and the price is right! And I've only just come around to understanding your suggestion to use my boards compressor to possibly give some protection against volume spikes. Initially I thought, "he's thinking I'm using another mixer model with built-in effects". I've had that mixer for years and never toyed with the compressor!

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

 

Very flexible and I can select if i want my keys in the AUX back from FOH or use a mix from FOH without keys and mix them in myself.

Most stuff including box and connector I just had from previous projects, only costed me the cheap PCB mixers. No noise and strong headphone levels!

 

I approve your diagramming skills and your skills in building your own system

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

That should work, although I would be concerned about volume spikes, ie feedback, from FOH being directly injected to your ears. I would suggest a solution that involves as limiter, as Still learning mentioned previously.

 

Cheers,

Gord

 

THIS! The possibility of a volume spike does worry me. My particular little desk does not have built-in effects such as a limiter (that model was more expensive and I'm thrifty, OK?). A limiting feature is important enough to me that I may just have to buy extra gear after all.

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

Someone on the Yamaha board suggested feeding the FOH monitor mix into the RCA ins on my mixer (2TR IN in the photo above). That signal can be sent to monitor only (toggle button "To Stereo/to monitor), it doesn't go back out my mains to FOH, I just checked using music from a connected phone) and its volume can be varied independently via the monitor mix knob.

 

Any drawbacks to that solution?

 

Now you're contradicting your original post. I'm not sure what you mean by "back out my mains to FOH"... according to your diagram the mains of this mixer are not going to FOH so it shouldn't be a factor. The mixer is strictly for your in-ears and is not sending anything to FOH. I would forget about using the RCA ins â just do it the way you drew that diagram! .

 

My apologies for the confusion. The suggestion from the Yamaha forum was an alternative routing to the one I diagrammed above. More like this...

 

http://www.propertyshoot.com/dev/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Mixer-to-in-ears-2.jpg

 

Any input to the 2TR IN RCA's can be routed, via a toggle button on my Yamaha desk, to only go to the monitor outs/headphone jack, so avoiding a feedback loop. Drawbacks could be

* hitting the toggle button by mistake

* having to have an adapter cable (eg female XLR to male RCA's), though I note below that I'll probably need an adapter for my other scenario.

* possible physical strain on those RCA's

 

What I have diagrammed here (no DI or fancy-shmancy 'FOH') is my most common setup; my mixer direct to an ancient 'brick-style' powered mixer unit (the YAMAHA EMX212S I think) on stage. (5-piece Eric Clapton tribute band playing small bars and clubs). I've yet to find out what limitations it has to send me a monitor mix.

 

One thing that did occur to me - it might be wise to carry a female XLR to 1/4" TRS adapter because the feed from the monitor mix will likely be XLR, and your mixer's mic input gain control, even at full CCW, might not be enough to trim a +4 level signal down to a level that wouldn't overload the mic pre. In that case you'd need to use the 1/4" line input , which I assume can take a hotter signal (might need to check on this to make sure though). Looking at the manual, only the CH 1 & 2 line inputs are balanced TRS, the other line ins are unbalanced TS.

 

Great idea. And useful to know how FOH commonly delivers a monitor mix. I occasionally play bigger stages in other bands, so now I can act all knowledgeable

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

Nice diagram!

 

I'm a retired science teacher with a major in stick figure diagrams

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

I was laughing so hard looking at this diagram. The FOH guy and the keyboard guy look awfully similar. Are they related?

 

The FOH guy is a wannabe keys player

[Cosmetic issue: forum appearance on mobile phone.]

So it's not just me then ... and not just a 'Down Under' phenomenon.

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

Thanks ReezeKeys - ha ha... yes I'd seen extra personal monitor amps suggested in that old thread. and I'd heard from a guitarist/vocalist friend who used in-ears, that he found the isolation from ambient noise a little disorientating. His solution was to pull out one earbud, but that seems to me to partially defeat the advantages of having in-ears in the first place.

 

I do run mono keys - well spotted. I can imagine that the more that is added to the in-ear mix, the more one would appreciate stereo separation.

[Is this personal mixer all I need to run in-ears?]

Someone on the Yamaha board suggested feeding the FOH monitor mix into the RCA ins on my mixer (2TR IN in the photo above). That signal can be sent to monitor only (toggle button "To Stereo/to monitor), it doesn't go back out my mains to FOH (I just checked using music from a connected phone) and its volume can be varied independently via the monitor mix knob.

 

Any drawbacks to that solution?