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Also note that the large assignable knobs (6 on the CP-1, 3 on the CP-5) have been eliminated. These were assignable at the performance level and gave you real-time control over things like stereo vibrato intensity, vibrato speed, mod intensity, etc.. These were fully assignable to parameters throughout the instrument. That's somewhat of an unfortunate deletion. Don't know how much real-time control is available on the CP-4. Busch.
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Yes, an English owner's manual would be appreciated so I might edit this when I get a chance to look through it. Seems that the voicing structure is quite a bit different than the CP-1/5 where you had: VOICE==>PRE-AMP==>MOD/FX==>POWER AMP==>REVERB==>MASTERCOMP==>MASTER EQ. Now it looks like it's VOICE==>INSERT FX (A/B)==>CHORUS/REVERB==>MASTERCOMP==>MASTER EQ. The "modeling" parameters from the CP-1/5 don't appear to be available. Previously you had access to things like key-off noise level, hammer stiffness, strike position (EPs only), decay and release times. There also appears to be no equivalent to the POWER AMP section. Seems that the modeling parameters are locked into the model variations provided. You take one of the models and then assign insert FXs to your liking. A much simpler approach, but not as versatile. One thing I felt was missing from the CP-1/5 is an full range EQ that can be assigned at the voice level and saved with the performance. The Master EQ is a room EQ only. With the CP-4 you can have two insert FXs so one can be EQ and the other modulation, for example. You can, BTW, assign a PreAmp model to one of the insert FXs so that aspect hasn't been lost. Long winded way of saying things are a bit different under the hood. Probably won't affect 99% of the users. Busch.
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Awesome. Busch.
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Thanks Athan. Glad to see the pricing coming down not going up. Question: Aside from the graded vs. balanced weighting, has the action changed significantly from the NW-STAGE found on the CP-1/5? Did the nearly 20 lbs in weight saving come from a redesigned action or other places? Busch.
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No, but they may be too close to the right side. When does it ever really make sense to have the wheels all the way to the left on something as long as an 88? Is the idea that you need to be uncomfortably stretched out in order to use them? Sorry this layout makes much more sense to me. Busch.
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Presumably the CFSIII and S6 come from the CP-1/5. The CFX was sampled for the new NU1 hybrid and is supposed to be quite nice. It's possible/likely that a version of this library is now in the CP-4. Busch.
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Seasons change, time passes by. As the weeks become the months become the years. Busch.
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At NAMM I compared the VR09 and JunoDi actions. They felt identical to the touch and the underside of the keys felt the same. The Roland rep said they were the same. The are unweighted. For organ and synth they should be OK, but hardly inspiring. I would not want to play APs/EPs on it. Also, I didn't find the drawbars to have the silky smoothness of previous VR drawbars. I think I'd put them somewhere between a drawbar and a slider. Roland is damned if the do and damned if they don't regarding build quality or lack there of. Busch.
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I don't disagree. But Roland had a pro version of this board with a much better action, 76 keys, much higher build quality, XLR outs, more pedal ins, no wall wart, etc. and it didn't sell well. Everyone seemed to hate it even though it was priced competitively at $2000. That was the VR700. So now you have the VR09, which might have some improvements in the organ, and yes synth area, but the PCM sounds roughly the same. Had Roland put those sonic improvements in a pro unit like the VR700, at the $2000 price tag it would have been labeled VR version 3, DOA, no one would have said boo about it. What does that say to you about the importance of build quality and pro features as far as your average keyboard player is concerned? Busch.
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Come on. Kicking left hand bass while playing organ/piano on a 61 note, unweighted keyboard all night long? This is the only keyboard you're going to be gigging with? No bottom tier? Seems like people expect it to have Nord Stage capabilities. The Electro and SK1 can't do some of the things then VR09 can do in terms of splits/layers. Busch.
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I'll see if I can find that answer. Busch.
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Why isn't using the Vent in pass through a viable option here? It seems that the only thing you can't do is play piano and organ at the same time. Is that a big deal? But you've got your Leslie foot switch, the damper pedal sustains and you have the better Leslie sim. What am I missing here? Busch.
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I'm pretty sure that's a big no. I asked the presenter and that's what he said. I saw nothing while perusing the machine and the configurations settings that would leave me to believe otherwise. Busch.
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Thank you so much for your time in providing this information to us! After listening to the demos, I'm very pleased with the Rock organ sounds. But have you also had a chance to hear how the clean "Jazz" organs sound as well? Not yet. Maybe I can stop over tomorrow and see if I can get them to edit up an 888000000, C2/3, soft percussion with, and heaven forbid, without Leslie. Busch.
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Very true, lots of other sounds on board. I was just detailing the sounds people seem most interested in on this forum. Busch.
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If you can't save them with each registration, that sounds like it could be a little tricky... can't use the footswitch for sustain on pianos but rotary on organs? Maybe there will be some way to do that... This is what I was told by the presenter. There might still be hope though. On something like the RD300, there are parameters found in the "system level" that are in fact saved in each SETUP. Busch.
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As I posted elsewhere, the action is the same as the JunoDi. The overall build quality seems the same. The drawbars respond just find but seem to be a little more plastic feel/response than the earlier VRs. Set your expectation at the JunoDi level and you'll probably be happy. I think early on there was the impression that the APs/EPs were SN. That does not seem to be the case. A listing of APs/EPs and clavs will give you some familiar names (maybe some new ones as well). PIANOS GrandPianoV GrandPiano GrandPianoV2 Rock Piano Mono Piano JD Piano SA Piano Honky Tonk Echo Piano European Piano Classical Piano ELECTRIC PIANO Vintage EP Stone EP Tremolo EP Dyno E.Piano 60s E.Piano 60s TremEP FM EP 1 FM EP 2 80s EP CLAVS Clav 1 Clav 2 Phase Clav 1 T-Wah Clav Comp Clav BrillClav DB Pulse Clav Phase Clav 2 Clav 3 Velo Clav Busch.
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I shot a video of the configuration screen. Here are some of the configurable parameters the group is probably looking for: ROTARY Type 1,2 Woofer Accel Tweeter Accel WF Slow speed TW Fast speed WF Fast speed TW Fast speed KEYBOARD Initial touch Bass pedal mono, poly CONTROLLER Damper assign: damper, registration shift, looper, rotary f/s, rhythm start/stop, song start/stop Damper part: to All, to Lower, to Upper Expression Assign: expression, looper, rotary f/s, rhythm start/stop, song start/stop I was told these are system level parameters and are not saved with each preset/registration. $1,000 keyboard, OK? Busch.
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Fortner VR09 NAMM demo. Busch.
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To B3. Most of those questions will likely have to wait until we have the manuals. If this is like previous NAMMs, the people doing the demos for Roland will likely be hired players who have spent some time with the keyboard but don't know it in depth. We'll see what we can get. Busch.
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I think the knobs and switches will probably be nice. They look old VR-ish. I am concerned about the action and the overall build quality. I suppose Rolands thinking is more along the lines of the Jupiter 50 is the pro board and the VR09 is entry level. Yes, the Jupiter 50 lacks the drawbars, but it has much better sounds overall. In order to get the VR09 to the quality (body and action) of the Jupiter, it would probably bring the price to $1500+. So then Roland would be bringing out yet another update to the old VR line which never sold well in the past. What's the chances of it doing substantially better with this update? It's getting to be a crowded market with these "pro" boards. So going after the entry level market makes a lot of sense because there's really nothing like it. Now a kid can get a decent top and bottom board for the price of an Electro. You would think, based on the interest in all things Hammond on this forum that clone wheels are huge sellers. In Seattle, I don't know that I can find a clone wheel at any of the dealers. No one carries Hammond much less the esoteric clones. I rarely hear organ played in clubs. If anyone does, the Electro is more than adequate. Busch.
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An A-800 Pro would make a lot of sense as a second manual, if they built in an auto-mapping for its 9 sliders to function as drawbars for the lower manual. An A-800 Pro would make a lot of sense as a second manual, if they built in an auto-mapping for its 9 sliders to function as drawbars for the lower manual. Good point. Had to look up the A-800 Pro. Busch.
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An A-800 Pro would make a lot of sense as a second manual, if they built in an auto-mapping for its 9 sliders to function as drawbars for the lower manual. Split balling here, but if you had a weighted key lower connected in, how tough would it be to set the VR09 up so that APs/EPs would be triggered from the weighted and when you went into organ mode the weighted would be your lower manual. Don't know if that could be done elegantly. Busch.
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More complete specs here: http://www.roland.com/products/en/V-Combo_VR-09/index.html Interesting: "2-manual mode (when using sold separately MIDI keyboard)" Busch.
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I just glanced at the VR-760 manual and it does not appear that the drawbars transmit MIDI. Even if they did (or do in the case of the VR09) there is the issue compatibility. On the VR-760 Roland receives on CC#70-78. VB3 would be configurable but the Stage would not be. Busch.
