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Yeah, $300 is about as high as I can realistically go and still be welcome at home :D, and I also think that Hot Rod Deluxe may be more wattage than I really need. Good looking amp, though.

Thanks indeed @Larryz for the heads-up.




Originally Posted by desertbluesman
Originally Posted by Larryz
Wraub, DBM lives right around the corner from you. He has a tuber Fender Hot Rod Deluxe he's been trying to sell. They run about $300 used. Great little clean 112 combo amps in your price range. I have one I would sell but I don't want to ship it to anyone. I don't know how much he's asking. Maybe he'll chime in... cool

Thanks for the heads up @Larryz I see that his top dollar is $300, so I guess this amp is out of his price range. I won't sell it for that little. I will need $500 to buy my next (much smaller amp like that little Roland of yours Larryz) The HRD sounds awesome clean, if I can't sell it for the money I am asking, I will just keep it until I can, no big problem.



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Apologies for the delay, how's this?

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Great score Wraub!
Did you say it was a glued neck? i wouldn't mind a pic of the neck joint, if you have time.



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DBM, thanks for getting back to Wraub! I forgot about how much you were asking for your amp...+1 on sizing down and taking a look at that Roland EX50...$500 is a little bit more than Wraub's $300 budget though...

Wraub, the HR Deluxe are great little clean Fender tube amps which are at the right weight for the amount of wattage they pack around IMHO. You can always turn them down and still have the ability to cut through the mix when playing clean at stage volume.

Anyway, I'm glad you two touched base on DBM's amp. It would have been cool to be able too look at a used amp near by. They are great for picking up used as they take a licking and keep on ticking...new tubes and a bias setting will almost always do the trick...I bought my Hod Rod DeVille and my Hot Rod Deluxe used and they still work fine after many years of use. 2thu


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Update- I can now go up to, but can absolutely not exceed, $400.

More to come. grin



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Originally Posted by Larryz
DBM, thanks for getting back to Wraub! I forgot about how much you were asking for your amp...+1 on sizing down and taking a look at that Roland EX50...$500 is a little bit more than Wraub's $300 budget though...

Wraub, the HR Deluxe are great little clean Fender tube amps which are at the right weight for the amount of wattage they pack around IMHO. You can always turn them down and still have the ability to cut through the mix when playing clean at stage volume.

Anyway, I'm glad you two touched base on DBM's amp. It would have been cool to be able too look at a used amp near by. They are great for picking up used as they take a licking and keep on ticking...new tubes and a bias setting will almost always do the trick...I bought my Hod Rod DeVille and my Hot Rod Deluxe used and they still work fine after many years of use. 2thu

I bought mine new, (probably in 2006 or 2007). I got it on sale from one of the on line stores a year or two before version 3 came out, mine is version 2 made in Mexico. I probably have well over $800 in it considering the purchase price, the new tubes and tube rings, the speaker, and the cap job. I only got the cap job done because it was in the shop for a minor repair and while he had the amp open I pulled the trigger on the cap job, just because I know they wear out over time. I play that amp once a month over 3 days to keep the caps charged up and it is always plugged in.


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Your amp is more tempting every minute... smile

Originally Posted by desertbluesman
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DBM, thanks for getting back to Wraub! I forgot about how much you were asking for your amp...+1 on sizing down and taking a look at that Roland EX50...$500 is a little bit more than Wraub's $300 budget though...

Wraub, the HR Deluxe are great little clean Fender tube amps which are at the right weight for the amount of wattage they pack around IMHO. You can always turn them down and still have the ability to cut through the mix when playing clean at stage volume.

Anyway, I'm glad you two touched base on DBM's amp. It would have been cool to be able too look at a used amp near by. They are great for picking up used as they take a licking and keep on ticking...new tubes and a bias setting will almost always do the trick...I bought my Hod Rod DeVille and my Hot Rod Deluxe used and they still work fine after many years of use. 2thu

I bought mine new, (probably in 2006 or 2007). I got it on sale from one of the on line stores a year or two before version 3 came out, mine is version 2 made in Mexico. I probably have well over $800 in it considering the purchase price, the new tubes and tube rings, the speaker, and the cap job. I only got the cap job done because it was in the shop for a minor repair and while he had the amp open I pulled the trigger on the cap job, just because I know they wear out over time. I play that amp once a month over 3 days to keep the caps charged up and it is always plugged in.



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I've really been contemplating this question, and trying to reconcile my desires with my budget is, as always, an issue.
Budget aside, the sound I'm seeking is in the previous video I linked re: the pickups I have, and, in these videos, in the guitar demos... It's worth the watch, imo. I have no affiliation with the band, store, or player... I just really dig the tones.










Originally Posted by Caevan O'Shite
Originally Posted by wraub
Please do report back... I'm about to start amp shopping in earnest. I could use all the info I can get. wink
What sort of amp and sound are you looking for?

Low watt? High watt? Loud and clean with a lot of headroom, medium or high gain, bright, dark... ?

Fendery, Marshally, Voxy, MESA/Boogieish... ? Combo or head and cab? Do you prefer 12" speakers, or 10", or... ?

"Play the amp" varying your guitars volume-knobs and your "touch"? Or consistently the same?

"Pedal platform"? Effects-loop necessary?

Channel-switching, two or more? One AMAZING channel?

What kind of price range?

Tea-infusion? Incense-burner? Ovaltine?



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DBM, didn't you install a hemp speaker? Not sure if I'm remembering this correctly? I remember you having yours gone through by an amp tech.

Anyway I think the Hot Rod 410 DeVille weighs about 55lbs and the 112 Hot Rod Deluxe weighs about 41lbs. The weight difference makes the Deluxe a lot easier to pack around town. It's about 40 watts (tube) which is more than enough and most of the smaller wattage tube amps weigh in about the same. So you get more bang for the buck...

Wraub, you can find them used for $300 to $500. A new one runs about $800.

https://www.musiciansfriend.com/amp...-guitar-combo-amplifier/k47974000001000?

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I've been watching videos and doing a lot of reading, and the Katana looks really promising, until I see firmware updates, and digital fizz, and sound editor menus... The same with the Yamaha THR, good but so much I really don't need or want.

I just want to play, to plug in and go- good cleans, maybe some dirt when desired, plays nice with pedals, not too big, too loud, or too expensive.If it's got a speaker out to drive a bigger cab if desired, even better, but not mandatory at all.

Maybe I do just want a good simple amp that rocks. All the tone videos I've been watching lately seem to point that way, and also point to amps I could never justify buying, and definitely can't afford anyway. But, it's the tone I want.

Still looking.



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Originally Posted by wraub
I've been watching videos and doing a lot of reading, and the Katana looks really promising, until I see firmware updates, and digital fizz, and sound editor menus... The same with the Yamaha THR, good but so much I really don't need or want.

I just want to play, to plug in and go- good cleans, maybe some dirt when desired, plays nice with pedals, not too big, too loud, or too expensive.If it's got a speaker out to drive a bigger cab if desired, even better, but not mandatory at all.

Maybe I do just want a good simple amp that rocks. All the tone videos I've been watching lately seem to point that way, and also point to amps I could never justify buying, and definitely can't afford anyway. But, it's the tone I want.

Still looking.

I have the Katana 100 combo, the 6 button footswitch is optional and fully functional - I have it too. That amp cured me of pedalboards, I don't want another one - ever.
I can plug 1 TRS cord (I bring a spare but so far no need) into the amp and the footswitch - done. I have 4 preset channels - I could have 8 but I only use 3 of them and mostly just 2.

The 2 that I use are set up as follows. Channel 1 gets used 90% of the time. By turning the output switch to 1/2 of one watt and turning up the master volume, I get a "clean" sound that has a bit of grit and sings. If I step on footswitch #6 I can then use the footswitch #1 to kick in a nice, grindy singing overdrive. Footswitch #2 turns modulation on or off (mostly off, currently chorus) and footswitch #4 could turn reverb on and off except I leave it on. Super simple.

To go to the second preset channel, I step on footswitch #6, then on #3 which is the preset channel I like. Click on #6 again and now I have a pedal board that gives me a lusher, cleaner clean sound. #1 gives me a RAT tone, sustain for days. #2 gives me a delay - #3 is tap tempo so I can easily match the delay to the song. #4 remains reverb and remains on.

The other 2 channels have an octave and an auto Wah (in case we play Superstition).

The computer program is super simple to use, I didn't really have to learn how to use it. Favorite feature (besides versatility) is that any "knob" you click on also becomes a slider just to the right of the graphic of the effect.
There are seven knobs on the chorus, you can really dial it in. A single USB cord and you are up and running.

You don't have to update firmware, I have the original Katana and never bothered with the firmware. It works great, the firmware just adds some effects.

Once I programmed it, the only knob I ever turn is the Master volume. There is a Line Out on the back with a speaker sim built in and on always. I plug a cord from that to a Whirlwind IMP 2 DI and then a mic cable to the PA. I've shut the speaker off on the amp (the power switch will do that too) and it sounded just like my amp but coming through the speakers.

So, it isn't complicated at all, I got rid of a pile of pedals hooked up with a buttload of cords, I got rid of the pedal board power cable and I can plug straight into the amp with one cord so I got rid of that extra cord too. Plus, no mic, no stand, just a small, light DI box and a couple of cords behind the amp instead of out on the stage. Did I mention I've never re-programmed it? Or that I could plug in an expression pedal and have a wah, volume or adjust effects on the fly if I wanted to?

All that said, I've been thinking that I should sell this one and get the Katana 50. I could have a smaller foot switch and just reach down once in a while and hit the tap tempo button on the amp. I do that already on my Roland Cube 40GX, maybe twice a night. I'd put the amp on the same small folding footstool that I use for the Cube, very easy to reach over, do a double tap and get back to playing. I hate fiddling with stuff!!!!!

Either the presentation you watched was overly complicated or you've made it complicated in your own mind. It's not, it's butt-simple compared to tweaking a chain of effects so they all sound right and then dealing with knobs that somehow change their own settings. I don't have to stand on stage and reach down to the floor to adjust things anymore, I hated that too.

I won't be upset if you don't like the Katana but I think you owe it to yourself to at least give one a spin first. They do sound good. A friend uses one for blues, he plays it like an old Fender Tweed, turn it up till it sounds good and leave it there. No footswitch, no programming. It sounds great.


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I am but awaiting a new guitar case and I'm going to GC/Sam Ash and comparing.
I have nothing against the Katana, and I'm actually eager to actually try one out... I just know me, and I'd rather plug in and play than wade through menus and options I may never use, so the stuff I've seen on it and similar amps does seem a little off putting. When I want to be creative I like the process to feel easy, rather than like a process, if that makes sense.



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Originally Posted by wraub
I am but awaiting a new guitar case and I'm going to GC/Sam Ash and comparing.
I have nothing against the Katana, and I'm actually eager to actually try one out... I just know me, and I'd rather plug in and play than wade through menus and options I may never use, so the stuff I've seen on it and similar amps does seem a little off putting. When I want to be creative I like the process to feel easy, rather than like a process, if that makes sense.


Understood, and I've been there. Katana is not about "wading through menus". The software was very user friendly and simple
As far as options go, I used to look down at my pedalboard and think "which pedal do I want to use and does it need tweaking?" That's gone now.

Most important to me - after owning a buttload of tube amps and having tubes fail on stage a few times - I am getting some great tones and using a reliable piece of gear. Tube amps themselves may be reliable but tubes are not, they are more like light bulbs - you know they will fail but you don't know when.


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Reporting back Wraub, on the shoot out with 3 PAF's. My 57 US Gibson humbuckers won out over the other two guitars with PAF humbuckers that were the designers version (clones). The same clones I changed out. The guitars were all the same made by Peerless. Mine was the top of the line model as compared to the other two. All 3 guitars were turned all the way up on tone and volume knobs and ran through the same cord to the same amp using the same amp settings. I won't name the pup manufacturer as he is a very good one with a very good rep and I don't want to say anything that would change that. I think his pups are very good and would do very well for recording and you could always adjust the amps up in volume and/or tone and they will work just fine in a live situation. I also changed my pots (audio taper 500K Gibson) and caps (Orange drop 22uf). After the shoot out, I ran mine the way I normally do (volumes around 8 and tones around 8) and the pups really sounded even better! I'm planning to leave them adjusted the way I like them and just use my Boss Comp-CP1x clean boost back in line for lead and rhythm changes without changing my settings. We segued away from the pups test and starting talking necks and other comparisons. Then just started playing and singing. It was a fun day! cool


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Thanks for the report, Larryz... I've come to understand a little about PAF pickups, and adjusting the height of the pickups and the polepieces individually as needed, and I've noticed slight adjustments can make big changes. Maybe with some time to fiddle about with things, you could make them sound more alike than different, but if you like what you have, then just enjoy that. smile

I played a new Epi LP for a minute today, and I thought it sounded very good but a little bass heavy. The pickups I have are very clear and distinct but I have them set up to avoid a lot of that bassness (a real word, I swear smile ) . What would you say defines your preferences vs. the others in the shoot out?



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...and, I just got back from GC with a Katana 50 Mk2. It is unwrapped and plugged in and waiting, right over there next to the guitars.



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