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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
KuruPrionz #3052251 07/03/20 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Originally Posted by GregC
It really is that

Its all a big wink
[j/k]

Yep. Just go buy a decent MIDI controller, a mid-range laptop and stuff it with cool plugins. There is where the bang for the buck lives...

Simple.

OMG, why didn't;t I think of that 9 years ago !!!
{{smacking my forehead }}

OMG, why hasn't every recent Fantom, Montage, MODX and Kronos owner done just that !!! ??

Award Winning Post material wink

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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
KuruPrionz #3052253 07/03/20 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by KuruPrionz
Originally Posted by GregC
[quote=KuruPrionz]With

Iys

Gotta love conspiracy theories!!!1 laugh

I.

Did you inform the UK Govt' that its a 'conspiracy theory ' ? wink

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/...-millions-after-breaking-competition-law

“Yamaha was granted total immunity from fines for being the first to bring the conduct to the attention of the CMA”.

Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
GregC #3052324 07/03/20 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GregC
Hi Bif.. where am I going ? Is your question, correct ?

You quoted it... challenge our thinking ...

I think knowledge is power.

I get what Bif_ is asking. What is the end game besides having this knowledge? A lot of us in this thread have agreed with your objective statements about the big 3's pricing.

Yes, knowledge is power. What is it you would like us to do with that power? Not buy the Flagship boards unless they are drastically reduced in price?
Protest outside their headquarters demanding "fair" prices?

So, yes, the educating on the company's pricing structure and methods is a good exercise.

In the end, it comes to the subjective value of any item to the consumer. Arbitrary (and ridiculous) example: Company sells a product for $3000 that costs them $100 to make. The company has no problem moving that product at that price. Everyone knows (all consumers) the huge markup of the product.
Some consumers will say "absolutely, this is worth it to me, I will buy it at that price." Other consumers will say "no way, that's way overpriced, I won't buy it"

Both are okay. That's why we have choices. Fairness should not play a part in this.

There are MANY things out there I'd like to have that are a bit out of my reach or comfort level to buy, price-wise. Many of those things have huge profit margins and I know it.

I do not lament the fact it's not for me to buy at this time, nor do I think it's unfair.


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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
EscapeRocks #3052360 07/03/20 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by EscapeRocks
Originally Posted by GregC
Hi Bif.. where am I going ? Is your question, correct ?

You quoted it... challenge our thinking ...

I think knowledge is power.

I get what Bif_ is asking. What is the end game besides having this knowledge? A lot of us in this thread have agreed with your objective statements about the big 3's pricing.

Yes, knowledge is power. What is it you would like us to do with that power? Not buy the Flagship boards unless they are drastically reduced in price?

Protest outside their headquarters demanding "fair" prices?

.

LOL

David, too funny.

Yes, I am going to ride around town on my bike today, and shake my fist at the sky and yell:

" Prices are too Damn High ! "

I think you are wise enough to see that us musicians/artist have certain similarities and interesting differences on how we function
and proceed in life.

So , I cannot tell you what to do with more knowledge. I can't tell Bif.

What you do with more knowledge is on you.

Or maybe some don't want to be bothered with more complex
or financial details.

Or maybe you and Bif and others already know it all
in regards to the 3 Big Dogs. I really can't say.

My intuition isn't always on.

I know exactly what I will do with more scrutinizing of the 3 Big Dogs and their high
pricing. I will continue studying these 3 co's for one.

Whenever I make a purchase, I have steps that I follow.

It involves extra work, more time.

Some here might say " I don't need to do that, no time for that '.

But who givesaShit what I do ? Thats my bubble.

if folks agree, and I see 5 or 6 on this topic, that have said so, that's
also cool.

Hope this clears up your questions. Thanks.

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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
GregC #3052381 07/03/20 06:30 PM
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Well, perhaps you should be railing at the capitalistic system that creates hard-to-bear markups. A tremendous amount of competition is simply eliminated because fledgling companies don't have the capital to stick it out for years and years to develop a product and their name recognition. It creates a built-in advantage, even monopolies as a result.

The solution is simple: socialize all music instrument companies and you'll be the president to make sure there's capital enough for promising new companies, and the prices of the established companies are based on fair profit margins!

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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
EscapeRocks #3052396 07/03/20 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by EscapeRocks
Yes, knowledge is power. What is it you would like us to do with that power? Not buy the Flagship boards unless they are drastically reduced in price?
Protest outside their headquarters demanding "fair" prices?
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I'm surprised this thread is still going given there is no practical advice in it. My wife and I have bought lots of stuff over the last several years: cars, bicycles, kitchen appliances, solar panels, bathtubs . . . the list goes on and on. Raising a family and changing houses 3 times entails a mind-boggling array of large item purchases. If you buy one big item a year and can take your time, maybe you can try to factor profit margin into your decision. For us, and I think for most people, there just isn't enough time in the day.

In the end, profit margin is just one factor among many. What matters most is the value of a product to me.

I'm sure GregC has a response to this, and this discussion will continue to go round and round in circles.


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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
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Originally Posted by Adan
Originally Posted by EscapeRocks
Yes, knowledge is power. What is it you would like us to do with that power? Not buy the Flagship boards unless they are drastically reduced in price?
Protest outside their headquarters demanding "fair" prices?
.

I'm surprised this thread is still going given there is no practical advice in it. My wife and I have bought lots of stuff over the last several years: cars, bicycles, kitchen appliances, solar panels, bathtubs . . . the list goes on and on. Raising a family and changing houses 3 times entails a mind-boggling array of large item purchases. If you buy one big item a year and can take your time, maybe you can try to factor profit margin into your decision. For us, and I think for most people, there just isn't enough time in the day.

In the end, profit margin is just one factor among many. What matters most is the value of a product to me.

I'm sure GregC has a response to this, and this discussion will continue to go round and round in circles.


Asked and Answered.

See my post reply to David/Escape Rocks.

If there are any questions, personal or otherwise, PM me.

Considerations/cicumstances will vary from person to person, therefore I am willing to discuss a situation you or anyone might have.

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Re: Sort of OT: Are prices on Keyboards, etc , too high ?
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