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Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread #3011324 10/07/19 10:07 AM
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I propose to start a thread on the Mac OS Catalina compatibility of various music software.

The Catalina version of Mac OS seems very disruptive for the music software; as of today i received alerts from Ableton, Steinberg, Native Instruments, Presonus and Roli asking to staying on Mojave, clearly more alerts of what i got for Mojave.

And then i know other software today is not yet compatible, like Sibelius (my old version 7), Nord software, and various other non musical things.

I may be worth to track the evolution of the subject in a dedicated thread.
What do you think ?

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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3011373 10/07/19 04:59 PM
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I will be following this thread as it develops. Glad it is here!

I recently updated to Mojave - 2014 Macbook Pro.

I purchased some "new" plugins and updated my DAW. Was a bit glitchy. I managed to return to High Sierra, have an external boot disk running High Sierra as well. It is only run offline
So I can stay here/return here if needed.

I've downloaded a copy of the install for Mojave.

Now it is a waiting game. If everything sorts out well I may move forward.
If not, I'll have to snag a cheap Billy G Box for Internet and disconnect my recording stuff.

Either way, I'll survive!!


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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3012282 10/14/19 03:21 PM
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No problems running UVIWorkstation & plugins from VILabs or Acoustic Samples on Catalina. I also opened Kontakt Player and loaded Canterbury Rhodes with no issue. Really don’t know what all the fuss is about – Catalina looks and acts exactly like Mojave which looked like High Sierra which looked like OSX at least as far back as Snow Leopard. Of course, I’m so old school I just disable almost all new features anyway!

I’m of the mind to avoid developers which might have been caught flat-footed by not being ready for Catalina, or 64-bit in general – an oversight that doesn’t bode well for the future – and considering there are many comparables out there, I’m not crazy about Native’s business model or their software enough to purchase any more of it.

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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: drawback] #3012766 10/17/19 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by drawback
I’m of the mind to avoid developers which might have been caught flat-footed by not being ready for Catalina, or 64-bit in general – an oversight that doesn’t bode well for the future – and considering there are many comparables out there, I’m not crazy about Native’s business model or their software enough to purchase any more of it.


Agreed. I *am* grateful that many developers in our field have at least put it out there that their stuff isn't fully qualified yet. There are a few web sites for other developers I visited a few days after Catalina shipped who said *nothing* about their compatibility, or lack thereof. They had all summer to post *something.*


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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3012832 10/18/19 02:04 PM
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From Gearslutz: "RME Ensures Compatibility with New macOS Catalina

RME’s drivers are all written in-house and not outsourced to third parties, so customers can use latest operating systems without interruption or delay

Fort Lauderdale, Florida, October 3, 2019 – RME, German manufacturer of premium interfaces, announced today that its interfaces are already compatible with the latest macOS Catalina 10.15.x which was released this month. Since RME drivers are written in-house and not outsourced to third party developers, RME’s users are able to update their firmware immediately and continue working without interruption or delay."

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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3015206 11/07/19 05:47 PM
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Catalina is particularly nasty because it finally turns off 32-bit compatibility, and a lot of developers are discovering just how much 32-bit code they have laying around that hasn't been cleaned up yet. I won't be upgrading to Catalina because I don't own any computers that are new enough to benefit from it; the last shipping rev of Mojave has been fantastic for me and I don't plan to move until I really must.

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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3015389 11/09/19 01:07 PM
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From what I'm gathering, the biggest problem with Catalina isn't the switch to all 64-bit...

https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/dr-macs-rants-raves/wait-install-macos-catalina/

I've often done the macOS upgrade a little while after it shipped, mostly because I have to wait for some developers to catch up now that I use some music apps and plug-ins (before that, I'd jump right in most of the time). Catalina seems to be worse as some developers still haven't even posted they're working on it, and reports like the one above. There have been numerous iOS 13 issues as well that Apple has raced to fix. Hopefully these are bumps in the road for Apple and OS updates aren't always going to be like this.


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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3015435 11/09/19 08:32 PM
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Arturia just annonced the V Collection 7.1 update, that between other things bring Catalina compatibility.
My understanding is that VIs in the other version of the V collection are updated (i am right know updating my version 5).

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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: Joe Muscara] #3015437 11/09/19 08:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Muscara
From what I'm gathering, the biggest problem with Catalina isn't the switch to all 64-bit...

https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/dr-macs-rants-raves/wait-install-macos-catalina/

I've often done the macOS upgrade a little while after it shipped, mostly because I have to wait for some developers to catch up now that I use some music apps and plug-ins (before that, I'd jump right in most of the time). Catalina seems to be worse as some developers still haven't even posted they're working on it, and reports like the one above. There have been numerous iOS 13 issues as well that Apple has raced to fix. Hopefully these are bumps in the road for Apple and OS updates aren't always going to be like this.


I would be very careful on this kind of report, expecially with statements like "To be fair, I’ve also heard from a number of people who say their upgrade went smoothly and they’ve had no major issues with Catalina so far. But I suspect they are in the minority."

There are many reports on problems on Catalina, but i really found difficult to dig in and to discover what the fuss is about; there is a very long thread on MacRumor forums, with a lot of complaint and ciritics.

But i tried to get a grasp of what is really going on, i discovered that less than 5 posts on 10 pages spoke of first hand problems, and that many of them came from the usual misunderstanding; for exemple, every time
Apple make a big update, there reports that the new system is very slow; the point here is that after a major update MacOS rebuild the search indexes, and launch photo analysis daemons, and other tasks, so the machine is usually slow for a couple of days because it is busy. Problems with mail have been reported, but again they seems related to indexes rebuilding, but without any hard evidence in a direction or another.
You would expect a ma

There is a lot of people that make a business on bashing Apple, so every little piece of noise is amplified and it is very difficult to evaluate reality; this is not to say that there are no problems, of course, just be careful when reading around. By the way, the article pointed by the link was written before the latest update.

Anyway, music software incompatibilities give a lot of good reason to wait anyway :->

Maurizio


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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3015501 11/10/19 06:57 PM
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Maurizio - I get what you're saying. However, I know Dr. Mac personally, and he's an Apple fan, not a basher. He also does Mac support for people. The caveat here is that he's writing for average Mac users and so a little extra caution is warranted.


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Re: Mac OS Catalina compatibility thread [Re: mauriziodececco] #3015765 11/12/19 12:40 PM
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Plugin Alliance just updated all of their plug-ins for Catalina compatibility.


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