#989711 - 07/27/04 12:52 AM
Mounting the Auralex Sheetblok
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sdijan
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Mounting the Auralex Sheetblok
Does anybody there has some experience with mounting the Auralex Sheetblok? One thing is to mount this to the walls that should not be a big deal, even the Auralex adhesive they sell should do the job, however I have heard that when you try to install this heavy material on the ceiling, Auralex adhesive is not strong enough... I appreciate any suggestions or recommendation. Studio's size is 20'x30' so I have 7 rolls to install and obviously I can not risk to fail...too much $$$ to loose...
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#989712 - 08/04/04 01:14 AM
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I wonder if you could glue the material on 1/4" drywall and then screw the composit into the ceiling? Is the ceiling drywall. (Probably should have asked that question first). Maybe you need to go to the hard ware store and get a different brand of material. Also maybe you need to add adheasive to the ceiling then add the same material to the sound material, let them both set up a little then apply the sound material to the ceiling. That mightb work. Call up the manufacture of the adheasive and ask them.
Where can you get this material and how much does it cost?
Jazzman 
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#989713 - 08/26/04 04:50 PM
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I recently finished building a new studio from the ground up and we used sheetblock on the live room. We installed it over sound deadening board. It may be easier if you attach it directly to sheetrock.
All I can say is that it was really hard to install, especially on the ceiling. This stuff is incredibly heavy and no amount of adhesive or staples would hold it. We ended up having to attach it with dry wall nails. And we had to cut it into 4x4 sheets for the ceiling. No way are you going to get a full 8 foot sheet to stay up there.
Be prepared for a grueling task and make sure you have at least 3 people to help. We had 2 guys holding the sheetblock and one guy nailing.
You can order it from Sweetwater.
- cedub
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#989714 - 08/26/04 05:33 PM
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robmix
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I like Jazzman's idea of creating a composite on the floor. Personally I'd go with a layer of drywall on the ceiling. Create the drywall/sheetblok composite on the floor then screw that to the ceiling.
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#989715 - 08/26/04 07:59 PM
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sdijan
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Thanks for all the suggestions! One roll of the SheetBlock cost about $250.00 - depending who you buying from, and it is 4'x30' roll. Heavy as a hell (1 sq.ft.= about 1.2 lb).
I found an adhesive - Henry 440 that worked great! Put plenty of it on the sheetblock and then squeegee well to the drywall! I have ended up placing sheets of this material cut into 4'x6' on the ceiling - 2 people did the job well enough. I used the nails only on the sides. Over this sheetblok I used sound boards 4'x8'. For room 20'x30' I ended up using 8 rolls of the sheetblock - walls included. Finally I can yell and scream without my wife complaining...
Henry adhesive 440 can be bought in Home Depot...
Thanks again all for your comments!
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#989716 - 09/06/04 01:43 PM
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Hi there !
I have the same problem with the wife ;-) So I plan to buy sheetblok but I read that it exists a version with glue already put on it .. the sheetblok plus ...
Does this work or it is not enough for the ceiling ...
my walls are ok, just need to do the door and the ceiling ..
PLEASE HELP !!!
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#989717 - 09/06/04 04:12 PM
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sdijan
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The Sheetblok plus as I have learned is suitable for walls only, not the ceiling. As I mentioned before, the Henry adhesive 440 works the best. You do not want to cut the sheetblok larger then say 16 square feet. Anything larger would still stick fine with the Henry adhesive, but from my experience would be extremely difficult to install.
Good luck!
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#989718 - 09/07/04 08:49 AM
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pulse
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thanks man ! I will look for that Henry stuff
can you explain me more in details what are
sound boards ?
thanks
an European musician ;-)
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#989719 - 09/07/04 01:57 PM
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pulse
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i found 2 440 ... one normal 440 and this ...
http://www.wwhenry.com/prod-440lc.htm
which one have you been using ?
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#989720 - 09/07/04 08:48 PM
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sdijan
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Hey pulse, little complicated with the adhesive and the way you should mount this sheetblok. Call me at 508-359-7830 I will walk you through it...
I am European Musician as well.
J.D.
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#989721 - 09/08/04 05:52 AM
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pulse
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thanks J.D.
I will phone you but can you please tell me where do you live so that I can find the proper indicative ... I am from switzerland ...
thanks
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PHil
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#989722 - 09/08/04 05:58 AM
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oups ok I just see Boston in the bottom of your message ... I will phone 2morrow as I have a day off ... thanks
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#989723 - 09/08/04 08:59 PM
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sdijan
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Phil, THe Henry Adhesive 440 is fine, however, there are two stronger adhesives that you should use for the ceiling aplication.
Henry 817 - that one is rarely seen I have bought this one at local Ace Harware store - yet the manufacturer has stop making this type in 1999! So with some luck, you might find this one in your local store...Better chance will be to get the Henry 237. Home Dept should have this type with no problem. This type is little stronger then Henry 440 and grabs to the sheetblok better. If you compare the Sound Board and Sheetblok, you might find that Sheetblok is -
1. thiner
2. heavier
3. much more expensive
4. STC - 27
THe STC on 1/2" thick Sound Board is between 22-24 depending on the manufacturer.
You should consider all your options before buying anything, that is the reason why I have suggested to discuss this more over the phone...
J.D.
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#989724 - 09/10/04 01:40 PM
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pulse
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ok thanks for your message
sorry I didnt phone you yesterday cause I didnt find 1. the time and 2. the proper indicative to call ..
but I can explain my needs :
1. doesn't have enough place to make a "second" ceiling ... so I think the sheetblok should be the right product
2. considering the sheetblok .. I wanted to buy the + version that has a face with glue but it seems it is just for walls and not enough strong for the ceiling ..
3. I am currently looking at all solutions before buying .. cause If I want to go sheetblok I will need 11 pieces of sheetblok and I will have to pay a lot for delivering (fees) ..
4. In Switzerland I remember using strong material that has a strong paste on it (but very fragile as it breaks into several pieces if you let it fall to the floor) ... We did a door with that product many years ago and it was really great .. but I can't remember of what this product was made ...
5. For me I need the easiest way to stop the sound passing through the ceiling .. I also hesitate to make a "parquet" on the floor above .. but I think the "bloking" material has to be inside the studio and not outside ...
I ll try to call you when possible ..
thanks
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PHil
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#989725 - 09/11/04 06:00 PM
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sdijan
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Phil:
1/ If you do not have extra 1/2 inch for sound board on the ceiling, then you do have to go with the sheetblok. Remember, it is bitch to install and I would much rather install 10 sound boards rather then one more sheetblok...
2/ If you trust to people that went through the pains, then do not even think about installing the sheetblok +. As I have mentioned before, it is sufficient to install on walls, not ceiling. Also, the finish of the walls will greatly affect the adhesion of this sheetblok+
Stay away from this solution...
3/ Two strong man have a "full hands" with one roll of the sheetblok... Count on a major exercise and expense for tracking. Neither UPS, Fedex or USPS will accept heavy load as this one... you will have to get an independent trucking company - major cost...
4/ I am not sure what you used in Switzerland, sorry I can not help there...
5/ Sheetblok can be used inside as well as outside. The flow of the sound is not any bigger or smaller installed either way. Noise created by sound waves is much different then the one created by impact (hitting or stumping). My studio that I have just finished (30'x20') has sheetblok all over, plus the sound boards also all over. I let the music run as loud as I can handle (and trust me, I can handle big load), yet, my wife in the room above the studio does not hear much at all. At the same time, I can not hear any music or my wife's yelling upstairs while I am in the sudio. Now, that is noise created not by impact. When my kids are running in the room above the studio, I can hear them...
I installed double layer of soft padding under the hardwood floor - and viola, all stumping is gone...
Material that does not allow sound waves to penetrate through (sheetblok) can still work poorly in reducing the noise created by direct impact (walking, jumping). Sound boards are great in reduction of both...
Good luck, I am going to Europe for a week so if you have any other comments, I'll get back to you later...
J.D.
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#989726 - 09/13/04 07:54 AM
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pulse
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sdijan
1/ If you do not have extra 1/2 inch for sound board on the ceiling, then you do have to go with the sheetblok. Remember, it is bitch to install and I would much rather install 10 sound boards rather then one more sheetblok...
===> I can afford like 5 cm but not more ... How big are sound boards ? as good as sheetblok for stopping sound ?
2/ If you trust to people that went through the pains, then do not even think about installing the sheetblok +. As I have mentioned before, it is sufficient to install on walls, not ceiling. Also, the finish of the walls will greatly affect the adhesion of this sheetblok+
Stay away from this solution...
==> another solution : I can paste the sheetblok on MDF (wood) panels and then fixed the MDF with the sheetblok on the ceiling ? but I know that the screws will permit the sound to go out a little ... what do you think of this solution ?
3/ Two strong man have a "full hands" with one roll of the sheetblok... Count on a major exercise and expense for tracking. Neither UPS, Fedex or USPS will accept heavy load as this one... you will have to get an independent trucking company - major cost...
==> I already asked audioland in France in Paris I will have to pay about 300 Euros for delivery .. gurps !!!
4/ I am not sure what you used in Switzerland, sorry I can not help there...
==> ok ...
5/ Sheetblok can be used inside as well as outside. The flow of the sound is not any bigger or smaller installed either way. Noise created by sound waves is much different then the one created by impact (hitting or stumping). My studio that I have just finished (30'x20') has sheetblok all over, plus the sound boards also all over. I let the music run as loud as I can handle (and trust me, I can handle big load), yet, my wife in the room above the studio does not hear much at all. At the same time, I can not hear any music or my wife's yelling upstairs while I am in the sudio. Now, that is noise created not by impact. When my kids are running in the room above the studio, I can hear them...
I installed double layer of soft padding under the hardwood floor - and viola, all stumping is gone...
Material that does not allow sound waves to penetrate through (sheetblok) can still work poorly in reducing the noise created by direct impact (walking, jumping). Sound boards are great in reduction of both...
Good luck, I am going to Europe for a week so if you have any other comments, I'll get back to you later...
==> if you go to Europe maybe I can join you on your mobile ? email me at info@pulseconcept.com if possible so I can have your phone ...
==> Thanks again for your patience !!! Maybe I should look into sound board but I dont know that product ... and think that maybe it wont stop correctly the sound ...
bye
PHil
J.D.
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