#984 - 07/27/01 12:50 PM
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Silly topic of the day: Last night CNN said Mariah Carey was hospitalized for "extreme exhaustion". Why is singing the only career field I know of where that happens? I've worked construction before, none of the guys ever had it, and I've never heard of a teacher, cop, engineer, or telemarketer suffer from "extreme exhaustion". Maybe if some of those skinny "divas" would have a sandwich once in awhile...
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#986 - 07/27/01 01:02 PM
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#987 - 07/27/01 01:34 PM
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I've been tour/production manager for a few acts. It's not easy. All those stretch limos  , 1st class flights...
just kidding.
Seriously though... I was working with an Atlantic Records act last fall after a month I quit. My wife was getting pissed off (act was young, sexy, 24 year old curvaceous lady with easy-on-the-eyes features), and I was getting burnt out.
Typical week.
day1. Good Morning America (TV show) New Orleans - so we gotta fly outta NYC the night b4. The prep for the show is at 5:30am, her makeup goes on then. Then a quick video/audio rehearsal for the song she's gonna be doing live.
Song & interview & 8 am.. outta there by ...9am after some ass kissing etc..
back to hotel...Radio interviews at 1pm & 3 pm..
4pm.. autograph signing for radio station meet & greet - at your local Planet Hollywood / Hard Rock / House of Blues etc...
outta there by 6pm...
Local rep (Atlantic) wants to take us to dinner - say @ ...8.
So back to the hotel, shit shave shower.
Show @ 10-11pm.
To hotel @ midnite. Same thing tomorrow - except now we go from a early flight right to Atlanta...
same scenario, except we have a "Mall" show (think Macy's etc) somewhere in the middle of the day...sign 400 autographs..
get it? It aint easy...pays the bills nicely, but it aint easy. And we're not talking about a 21 day 17 city tour with 25 people, just 5 or 6 people on a "promo" tour..
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#988 - 07/27/01 01:41 PM
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don't believe everything you hear/read.... usually "exhaustion" is a generic publicist coverup excuse to hide something else....we'll get the truth after her career tanks and she needs the "behind the music" exposure...
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#989 - 07/27/01 02:28 PM
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she had a bad herpes breakout from her prostitution days.
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#990 - 07/27/01 07:12 PM
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Actually, not true!!
Of course we all know cops have probably the highest suicide rates.....It's just called stress and people suffer from it in almost any profession. I was once a telemarketer for a phone company(lovable I know) and I saw(at least once a month) people pass out right in there chair and fall to the floor!! Usually this was followed by 3-5 weeks of "stress leave" and all this based on a sales quota! Nothing like what police/EMT see every day. My solution was to LEAVE before I was next! Mariah. Well, how could anyone walkaway and leave $24 Million on the table....
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#991 - 07/29/01 04:00 AM
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Teachers burn out, and many former journalists I know say they quit because they couldn't deal with the combined deadline stress and constant exposure to human tragedy.
And "exhaustion" was a common 19th century diagnosis before they had all the fine (as in detailed, not good) classificaitons of mental illness we have today.
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#992 - 07/29/01 05:22 AM
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Extreme exhaustion... would that be what happens when you average 3 hours of sleep a night, maybe less, sometimes miss meals, deal with stupidity on a daily basis in time micro-managed increments from second to second, sometimes seeing spots and feeling like one might doze off sitting in a chair in the middle of day, lack of concentration/focus combined with a general feeling of depression, anxiety, dread and doom?
I mean, not that I *know* anyone with these symptoms, mind you....
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#993 - 07/29/01 03:01 PM
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I would imagine, with Mariah, even know she is pampered and all, even when she's not working she has to be "on", that can probably wear you down after 10 or so years of it.
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#994 - 07/29/01 03:12 PM
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#995 - 08/01/01 05:36 PM
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A thread back from the dead!
Originally posted by d gauss:
we'll get the truth after her career tanks and she needs the "behind the music" exposure...
Even if her publicists are spinning, it doesn't sound good...
Check out this story ...
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#996 - 08/01/01 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by popmusic:
A thread back from the dead!
Even if her publicists are spinning, it doesn't sound good...
Check out this story ...
From the article, sounds like she has already tanked....
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#997 - 08/01/01 06:36 PM
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Am I the only one worried about Chip? You okay? ...buddy?
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#998 - 08/01/01 06:41 PM
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hmm... maybe we'll be able to watch her descend into complete weirdness like we did with Michael Jackson. It only took him a few years to go from incredibly talented child star to incredibly talented creepy guy.
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#999 - 08/01/01 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by kent_powell@palmercay.com:
Am I the only one worried about Chip? You okay? ...buddy?
Hey Chip --
Did you ever resolve your sleeping problem?
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#1000 - 08/01/01 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by Gulliver:
HA-HA-HA!!!... Or better a healthy piece of Ukrainian "salo"!!! 
Mozhe yee yee treba velikoyee kobasi dati?!! 
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#1001 - 08/02/01 11:14 PM
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Originally posted by d gauss:
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don't believe everything you hear/read.... usually "exhaustion" is a generic publicist coverup excuse to hide something else....we'll get the truth after her career tanks and she needs the "behind the music" exposure...
-d. gauss
as you've no doubt read, the initial report was bullshit. now it gets interesting though.... even what is being talked about now (the suicide/galss cutting stuff) may be bullshit as well. remember she is just about to release her first cd of her new 20 million dollar deal. the first single already tanked. so....nothing like a little controversy to stir up public interest... she does a fake breakdown/suicide thing and gets the sympathy vote from the public and her sales are improved. not saying she did that, but there's a lot of money riding on this and that kind of thing has been done many times before... of course maybe she just got upset and snapped 'cause they didn't have her favorite imported nail polish at the store.
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#1002 - 08/02/01 11:22 PM
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I'm the most creative when I'm extremely exhausted...always come up with the best shit in that state.
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#1003 - 08/05/01 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by kent_powell@palmercay.com:
Am I the only one worried about Chip? You okay? ...buddy?
Yeah, I suppose - Popmusic - no, I still am not sleeping much at all. Some nights probably about 2 hours, in 30 minute cycles. Seems like everytime I do feel genuinely sleepy, it's not a "good time"... I'm at work, or I'm off somewhere... "something". Or I've got a gig, or I've got to get up early the next morning, or "something".
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#1004 - 08/05/01 04:33 AM
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Hmmm..........
I believe i just saw her on the cover of "US" magazine in the grocery store. The by line was Mariah breaksdown or something like that.
Very quick weekly periodical press.
I hope she is ok. Really.
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#1006 - 08/05/01 11:54 AM
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Do you think there's any connection to
that story and the recent announcement of
Whitney's $100,000,000. contract. Good
timing by Arista.
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#1007 - 08/06/01 07:05 AM
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Originally posted by Curve Dominant:
Seriously bro, get some sleep, and be well. The world needs cats like yourself.
It's 4 am, should I be asleep?
Funny, I got an ohur behind schedule talking to a friend about another friend who just recently moved north. Apparently this friend - who *never* drank - has apparently decided Cold Duck is salvation. Curious, because this is literally the Final Sign of the Apocalypse; if you knew this guy you'd understand why it's so fa-reaky.
When I start drinking it will be of the "Leaving Las Vegas" last-performance sort of deal, I don't see any other point.
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#1008 - 08/06/01 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Chip McDonald:
Yeah, I suppose - Popmusic - no, I still am not sleeping much at all. Some nights probably about 2 hours, in 30 minute cycles. Seems like everytime I do feel genuinely sleepy, it's not a "good time"... I'm at work, or I'm off somewhere... "something". Or I've got a gig, or I've got to get up early the next morning, or "something".
Did you ever regularly sleep well? If you did, what did you do then that's different than now?
There was once a guy on Letterman who claimed to be an insomniac and hadn't slept in 60+ years. (He'd "rest his eyes", though.) I remember thinking that it would be *so cool* to get all those extra hours in a day, but I can't imagine ever feeling as refreshed as I do after a good night's sleep.
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#1009 - 08/06/01 02:52 PM
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So, you think the effects of extreme exhaustion only affects primadonna pop singers, huh? Sit down, kids, cause it's time for Uncle Jeff to tell you a little story...
The place: Los Angeles, CA. The event: Winter NAMM '99. The guy who has a rough time but ends up living to tell his little story: me.
I was working for another company in the audio/musical instrument industry at the time. It was not an easy time at the company, since cutbacks were being made and I was trying to do 50 jobs at once. Well, I'd worked for about five weeks straight (weekends included) to get the company ready for the show. By the time the show got there, I was already toast...no energy, generally feeling like crap, yada-yada-yada.
So, I get through the first day of the show, but I'm so busy I hardly eat all day. I miss dinner entirely, get back to my hotel room too late for room service, and fall asleep for a whole four hours. The second day of the show, same thing: miss breakfast, miss lunch. That evening, I'm out at an industry event and start feeling really funky. I wasn't drinking alcohol at all at that show, but my head feels very light and I'm a little dizzy.
I left the event to go get some fresh air. Next thing I know, I'm being dragged down a hallway by some folks. I had collapsed from exhaustion, low blood sugar and dehydration. The hotel called the paramedics, I was pretty freaked out from having lost consciousness out of the blue, and it was generally a bad scene.
Believe it or not, I took only one day off to rest and made it back to work the show on the final day. But let me tell you, this is a good way to learn a lesson. I will never allow myself to go that long without proper rest and nourishment. It's weird how you assume that people will instinctually take care of themselves, but the reality is that people generally push themselves much harder than they can take until something drastic happens. Hopefully, the case is like mine, where there is no long-lasting damage. I no longer make fun of people who have to stop tours, or stop filming a movie, or whatever, due to this condition of overachievers.
- Jeff
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#1010 - 08/07/01 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by popmusic:
Did you ever regularly sleep well? If you did, what did you do then that's different than now?
No - I do not recall ever sleeping more than probably 5 hours straight as a kid. Always either got up really early, or stayed up late.
The problem now is that it seems like I'm not really sleeping at all, I'm just laying there in a zombie state.
but I can't imagine ever feeling as refreshed as I do after a good night's sleep.
I can't imagine feeling "refreshed".
Year before last I remember getting maybe a straight 5 hours of sleep that just "happened" - and thinking "wow, I feel GREAT"... but as I said, that was a few years ago.
I've been taking melatonin at 12 o'clock every night. I most of times go to bed around 3-3:30. What happends next is "?"
Sometimes I'm probably asleep by 4:30-4:45. Sometimes I'll roll over and see the clock, like last night: 5:15 am. Or I'll hear a room mate's clock go off in another room, 5:45 am. I usually roll out of bed around 10:00, since I don't have to be at work until 1:00 usually.
Theoretically I'm in bed about 7 hours, right? I would seem I'm awake usually until around 5:30 on average. I'm in the zombie state until about 6, which is probably when I begin actually sleeping, which must happen through until about 9, because that's when I start noticing the time again.
So I'm getting probably 2.5 hours of real sleep, and maybe a bonus hour somewhere in there. That is, unless it's a night I just don't sleep at all, which is probably about once every 8 days or so.
The melatonin seems to make me more alert when I do notice I'm "awake", around about 9:30-10:00. So I don't over "sleep" as much. That's a good thing; but I'm not getting sleepier at night, and I'm not staying asleep.
A few days ago I made myself get out of bed at 8:00 am, went and played tennis between 9:00 am and 11:00, went home got ready for work, worked the rest of the day until 7, came home worked on some music until about 1:30 or 2, my usual. Sat there and thought "I'm a bit more tired, but I'm not really sleepy". Laid down for a bit. 30 minutes later I got up, messed around on here for a little while... laid down again, and I think I stayed up until about 6:30 the next morning. Felt really bad the next day, which is when I paid for it I suppose.
I swear, the weirdess thing is that it's like there's some relationship to how awake I'm as to how sleepy I'll get. I tried quitting caffeine again a few weeks ago, I've since started back - didn't have any affect at all. However, the caffeine rebound effect - about 2 hours after consuming caffeine, I DO get sleepy; lay down, I might pass out for about 30 minutes, wake up - wide awake. I've tried loading that effect up by drinking caffeine all day, and it does make me sleepy afterwards - but I don't sleep very long, and after I'm up for about an hour I'm tired again. Then I pay for it the next day, it's a "hangover" effect.
So I dunno. It's mostly mental; I can't shut my brain off. I don't want to use drugs to do that, since there is always going to be a side effect. Tried one of the new sleep pills; didn't seem to help, and I think I noticed a slight effect on my short term memory the next day (seriously).
Oh well. Theoretically I'm taking a week off in a few weeks (which is something I guess I'm going to start doing, since I went about 14 years there with no vacation), but because I have to pay for that week off being self-employed, I'll still be here which means no escaping reality, so to speak, so I'm not sure if that's going to help any.
Sigh.
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#1012 - 08/07/01 06:09 PM
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Please, Chip, get some help! Or else you're going to end up rooming with Mariah. Or is that your plan?
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#1013 - 08/07/01 06:20 PM
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a hot bath, 2 Valerians (natural herb for relaxation/sleep), and a glass of some good wine.......guarantee you will fall out. Take the wine with you to drink while lounging, take the Valerian before you run your bathwater. I too have a sleep disorder, I have to have no light, no sound, and a regular routine to keep me on track. Otherwise I have to take the Valerian. A hot bath alone does wonders. Good luck.
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