#974748 - 07/24/00 06:32 PM
End of Project Blues
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Ed Cherney
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I am curious to know if any of you experience this. After working on a project for months, long, long hours, high pressure, recording, fixing, mixing, etc. Do any of you feel a let down when you finally deliver? When you go from a million miles an hour to a dead stop overnight, what kind of effect does it have on you? You can get very close to the people that you are working with. Sometimes closer than your family and closest friends (that you have not seen or spoken to for the months that you have been sequestered in the studio). Most of the time the folks that you have been working with are off to promote the album and to tour, and you don't see them again. Many times we are physically messed up at the end of a project, because it becomes difficult to take proper care of yourself due to time constraints and other considerations. Do any of you experience this? And if you do, please share some things that you do to recover.
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#974749 - 07/24/00 07:49 PM
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Ed,
I definitely go through withdrawal symptoms when coming out of a long session. The other side of the coin is that I could be finishing a project that didn’t end on such a high. So even though it’s sad to end I do feel grateful when a project ends that we’re all proud of. I remember we had a talk about one of your previous projects where the Artist was such a d**k that you were glad to be done with it. I’m sure you kicked ass on the Bette project and I can just imagine the fun that you had in and around the stress. I try to ease back into a normal routine by catching up on the time I’ve missed with my family and friends. There’s nothing like eating food that was cooked at home instead of from a take out box. Of course golf is always a great unwinder after being indoors for so long. Do you find that your eyes get tired being outside after not having had to focus more than 20 ft. for so long? Another way I recover is I try and do some short sessions to help me ease out of the grind I just finished. Hope you’re doing well and I just wanted to let you know that you’re not alone.
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#974750 - 07/24/00 08:30 PM
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I tend to work with new acts on the way up, most are just close to ditching thier jobs to turn pro. (thats why I get the call, I'm a specialist in booting bands up a rung on the ladder with bands first singles & airplay) These type of guys get REALLY depressed when the session stops! As, instead of Noon, they have to go back to starting work at 9 am!
I am chipper most of the time, I just use the time to recharge, eat brocoli, go to chinatown to eat, catch up on the soaps and , oh yes, tackle that laundry mountain!
Tired and Melencholy perhaps, depressed no. As Pete Towndsend said, you can't have every night be 'the best night ever'.
I do tend to end up mimicking my clients for a week or so after, I seem to soak up thier mannerism's!
Brocoli Ed, you need Brocoli, trust me on this one!
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[This message has been edited by Julian standen (edited 07-24-2000).]
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#974751 - 07/24/00 09:49 PM
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THE MIX FIX
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Oh nevermind:
I read this wrong. I thought it said "End of the Blues Project", and I wanted to tell Al Kooper about it!!   
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#974752 - 07/24/00 10:05 PM
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Yeah I've gotten depression after a project before. In fact I still might be experienceing it.
As for food. Food is everything. This is a bit of a non-sequitor here, but in the last 2 or 3 years I've really cleaned up my diet. Fresh food, LOTS of veggies, virtually no meat (occasionally chicken and fish), and I also started my cycling again (I used to race [like Lance, but I sucked] 10 years ago) and now when I ride I notice in the mornings my legs feel completely recovered.
10 years ago when my diet sucked I would ride hard and wake up in the AM and feel like I just got off the bike. The legs still killed me.
YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT. In sessions, getting good chinese food is a great idea. Lotsa green veggies lotsa water. Don't do those 10 hours between meals things either, DESPITE how good the vibe is... it'll shorten your life.
Be good.
Rich...
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#974753 - 07/24/00 11:05 PM
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happens quite frequently to me. especially on a project i think went really well. especially if i don't have another project to jump right into (a specail case of that "will i ever get another job blues"). usually, jumping right into another project gets my mind off the last one. if not that, i tend to sleep a lot. there's also a very nice native plant garden around here that i like to walk around in. maybe play some old music that i've mixed -let's me know i've been through this before and survived.
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#974754 - 07/25/00 01:59 AM
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i usually import a live cow for sacrifice at the beginning of the project, drink hard and steady the whole way through, eat lots and lots of beef, chain smoke throughout the session by taking outside breaks and noise breaks often.
follow those rules and project blues just fade away as the masters are sent out. then its really time to throw down at the cd release party.
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#974755 - 07/25/00 05:38 AM
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Mark Lemaire
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Ed- Another great post! Thanks!
I'm often working on 2 or 3 albums at a time, so there's not that "total work to total nothing" feeling that comes from the long lockout and doing just one project to completion. Those are especially hard, and offer little time for family or any other opportunities to get a sense of balance.
If the album has that deadline and we're doing 12 hour days to finish by it, I still try to hold onto SOME energy so I don't collapse and get sick after the end. This used to happen to me a LOT.
Anyhow, happy recovery!
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#974756 - 07/25/00 01:44 PM
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nothing a great big hug can't fix! 
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#974757 - 07/25/00 10:21 PM
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Jon Atack
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alphajerk, I'm still rolling from your post...
Mark, you mean most of your sessions are less than 12 hours/day?
Dave Reitzas' post was spot on for me. On off days, I enjoy gettin outside and roller-blading around Paris, going up to Montmartre, getting a beer or a bottle of Bordeaux at an outdoor cafe and seeing some real life go by. Studio life is truly myopic murder on the eyes and it's nice to have a distant view to contemplate for a change.
After a long day, I also find it helpful -- but not real healthy -- to surf on this forum, although I've promised myself to cut down on it and go instead to a party or a BBQ with the family and friends that I neglect because of the intense studio work.
Jon
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#974758 - 07/25/00 11:33 PM
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seriously though. i really just dont listen to ANY music after a project unless im at a club with a live band. for the most part i just sit outside weather permitting and just stare. people watch. usually my brain is pretty numb by the end.
but for the most part i never have time to get depressed because i ALWAYS have something else that needs my attention.
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#974759 - 07/26/00 02:15 AM
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Jon:
What the Hell is a French Barbeque like? 
And I won't even make any bad taste jokes about the Concorde.
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#974760 - 07/26/00 09:56 PM
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Jon Atack
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Bob,
I don't know, I'm always too busy to go!
Nah, it means driving to someone's country place a little out of Paris, maybe on the Seine or Marne rivers, drinkin', grillin' on the BBQ & eatin', dancin'...you know. A nice break from the studio.
Hey, there were only 3 jet airline crashes in France during the past 12 years...not bad. But I was stunned when a friend called me on the phone in the middle of a tracking session yesterday around 8 pm to tell me about it. Everyone was pretty bummed.
Jon
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#974761 - 07/26/00 11:49 PM
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alphajerk
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i saw that on the newspaper today, though about you and waiting to see if you were still posting, thought maybe the concorde crashed into your studio. glad to see you're still around.
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#974762 - 07/27/00 01:01 AM
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THE MIX FIX
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Jon:
You know I have to agree with Alpha, again.
When the jet crashed Yesterday, I, too, thought about you, since it was so near Paris.
Of course, I don't know anyone living in Paris except you, but it's funny how you get so friendly with people you only have met on-line.
Everyone should give the pilot and crew the maximum respect for avoiding taking the plane down in a more crowded area, and thinking of themselves last, and the people on the ground, first.
It could have been a lot worse, had they flown into a more populated area.
Anyway, my sympathies go out to all involved parties, and their families, and praise to the valiant and brave efforts of the pilot and crew.
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#974763 - 07/27/00 01:30 AM
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Jon Atack
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Thanks alpha and Bob for the nice thoughts. It means something to me...that you fellows might worry like that.
In fact, the jet came down about 20 miles from here, in a suburb north of Paris.
Bob, I think you're right about the pilot, the area is heavily populated and he normally would have landed in a residential area w/ hospital or an industrial area if he had not maneuvered as he did.
As it was, the jet did take out one hotel and half of another, but as far as I know only 4 people on the ground were killed...it could have been much worse on that count.
May their souls rest in peace.
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