#974059 - 05/13/00 01:08 PM
it's done when you are sick of it, but are you happy with it?
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alphajerk
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i was curious about something. when everybody is recording, when the songs are mixed and done, how often do the artists fully like the job? im not talking about the point where they are sick of it and the recording is close enough to their original idea but when what you captured is EXACTLY what they envisioned the song to sound like. where they arent like "i wish i could change this/that..."
and im not talking about an ideal unlimited time/budget. like a normal project.
i guess im asking, when does it get above the end listeners head (nitpicking about the song where the listener will never know because they dont have both mixes to compare nor would they even care possibly). you have the general idea and emotion of the song but it isnt EXACTly (tiny details) what the artist had in mind. how do you go about getting it or do you just settle??? do you go after it endlessly or do you bag the song until it comes out right or do you compromise and release it?
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#974060 - 05/13/00 02:04 PM
Re: it's done when you are sick of it, but are you happy with it?
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Pro Jules
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The artists fragile / paranoid world pulls them further down the white water rapids ride that is a career in the music industry.
Within days after the albums completion they haven't the chance nor budget to look back and must focus on the job ahead; promotion, touring and of course writing the next record, oh and having a life too! Just like the projects producer or engineer, onwards and upwards! NEXT!
Also getting a name producer can have management and label alike 'floating on air' for a period, convinced that it MUST be a success...This is handy as it gives the producer getaway time where he or she can quietly slip away and get on to the next thing leaving cocaine addled idiots back at the label to gamble with the artists career and the artist to wonder why there is no money left to make a decent video!
You will find producers will leave those acts that flop off their CV's.
There is a lot of hype WITHIN the biz, it's easy to get swept along with it. In that respect, I find it's better to try beat the drum than follow it. Hype thine own self, try back winners to work with, what act is going to get your work noticed?
interesting question! I think it's another 'when is a mix done' question, that has been covered over in GeorgeÕs forum, but, it was fun to blather on.
If you think 'day in day out' pros pass mixes with their hand on their heart and a little halo over their heads thinking, 'now that is perfection'. you are mistaken. 
More like a big thought bubble over their head;
- Sample thought process that takes place in one second after the fade out on a 'final playback'
"shit was that too much reverb on the voice? I didn't rely turn up the bass enough for the bass player, shit he MIGHT be right, perhaps it IS too low! oh f**k it, it's 4am, what do they expect ? Blood? I'm sure it's fine! (isn't it?) oh well, that's it. i'm a pro, trust in your instincts Jules! IT"S DONE!!!!!!!!!.
A mastering engineer described recording engineers as a paranoid bunch always worried about some aspect of a mix. This worry discipline carries us through, we just draw a line at some point, we learn when to call it as we get more experienced.
Jules
[This message has been edited by Julian standen (edited 05-13-2000).]
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