#967072 - 07/14/01 04:32 AM
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It seems like every day, there's a new "studio in a box." If you have one, which did you go with, and why? Does Roland still have the edge? Is the Korg D1600 as good as it's cracked up to be? What about Fostex, and the Akai DPS series? Your thoughts, please........
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#967073 - 07/14/01 06:53 AM
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I've got two used Fostex DTM8VLs mainly because they were cheap 350.00 a peice.
I'd like to get the Alesis 24HD..if it ever comes out.
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#967074 - 07/14/01 09:38 AM
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I have the VS 1680. I'm thoroughly pleased with it, although, of course, if I could, I'd make a few mods to it.
As a digital mixer, it's got everything I'll ever need, except dynamic processing on the channels.
Before getting it, I tried Akai DPS 12 and I hated it. The DPS 16 looks better, I had a go at it at a trade show but, overall, it didn't strike a chord with me.
I tried Korg the D16 and it looks and feels like a toy, and, besides, the screen's too small. The D-1600 is surely better, but the screen's still too small, and it still feels like a toy. Sorry. Along with Fostex and the smaller Roland VS-840, 880 and BR-8, I think those are aimed more at the demoist or the guitarist than the recording engineer.
The Yamaha AW 4416 was a candidate a few months ago BUT:
It became old pretty soon, with 24-trackers now out from Roland & Akai;
it's full of bugs;
it's okay in quality and features but everybody who has it says it's not stellar (even as reviewed by Jim Aikin, I think that was him, on Keyboard mag, help me Craig). PHIL O'KEEFE DON'T GET AGGRAVATED WITH ME!!! It's surely a great machine, but I'll stick with the Roland for the moment.
Also, with both the Korg and the Yamaha, I think that internal CD burning is totally overkill, because very probably we'd like to master outside of the machine anyway, and that pushes us to do it inside. I don't think that's a good idea, it makes the whole process too mechanical, too digital. I like to come out in analog and go into an analog compressor or some other processor, before burning a CD. Other people might want to run some soft-editor onto the stereo master.
I am eagerly awaiting this new Tascam chiefly because of the MIDI sequencer alongside the audio tracks, however I must repeat that I really like the Roland because of its enormous bang for the buck and its sheer number of features. Chances are, you think it hasn't got something because you don't see it upfront, and you just read in the glossary and there it is, hidden amongst screens. I keep on discovering new features at a rate of 3 per week, and I've had it for 3 years.
Last one I discovered, yesterday, was that I can copy mixer settings such as level, pan, EQ, sends, etc., from a recorded track or input channel to another. Or I can edit offline the automation settings. Just examples.
On-screen editing, copy/paste stuff and such is surgically spotless, to the micro-millisecond.
Of course Roland is no Studer and no Neve. The sound quality is good but not stellar. However, I cannot afford stellar quality. If I could, I would, but I am an independent producer and not a commercial studio, and a studio-in-a-box offers me the possibility of actually making it happen. If I was to say no to compromises and only buy top quality, I'd simply be doing absolutely nothing at this time. No production, no recording, and no mixing, because simply I cannot afford bigger budgets.
So welcome Roland with all its shortcomings (very little of them, actually).
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#967075 - 07/14/01 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
[B]It seems like every day, there's a new "studio in a box." If you have one, which did you go with, and why? Does Roland still have the edge? Is the Korg D1600 as good as it's cracked up to be? What about Fostex, and the Akai DPS series? B]
Except for inovation, I never thought Roland had any 'edge'. They are the most widely marketed and most widely used simply out of sheer availablity and because a lot people don't know any better. I couldn't understand how they could continue to make machines with data compression, even the 18 track. Geez, cmon.
After MASSIVE research and bringing home and returning units, I decided on the AKAI DPS16,.it was about $200 more than the Roland 18 .Why? First off, the stuff that was important to me. NON-compressed audio, 20 gig hard drive, the ability to back up to DAT (Though I bought an external Yamaha SCSI port burner). REAL EQ knobs, REAL effects parameter knobs(Though I use external processing almost exclusively) , real PAN knobs, mute buttons, solo buttons, 6 aux's,stereo buss, 10 inputs, Big 'tilting' display, Intuitive routing,intuitive editing, 24 bit 96khz recording,. Lastly, the quality of sound was absolutely outstanding. Now as we all know, not all 24bit recorders are created equally, and AKAI proved this to me. I rarely hear anything about these, but I have never seen one used for sale. AKAI never really marketed this machine. I don't care really because I found it out of sheer and intense research, and by LISTENING. I still don't get the Rolands and why anybody would want to record with data compression. I can HEAR it and I don't like it.
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#967077 - 07/14/01 04:31 PM
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I still don't get the Rolands and why anybody would want to record with data compression. I can HEAR it and I don't like it.
I can hear it, and I LIKE IT! Remember, Bonafide, you can switch off the compression on the Roland VS, and record WITHOUT compression! I never do, though, because the sound of the MT1 setting (the fist stage and most mild form of compression) actually sounds kinda cool to me, similiar to slightly over-saturated analog tape. That's just me, tho, and I know Phil and Dan and Lee are ready to strangle me now... 
I'll tell you, Bonafide, why peeps "get" the VS: it's the work environment. It is so friggin' fast and easy once you master it. As far as the sound quality goes, pro audio engineers can hear the diff between a VS and a Neve, but practically no one else out in the real world can, especially not in an age when mp3 is so popular.
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#967078 - 07/14/01 05:19 PM
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Originally posted by Curve Dominant:
I can hear it, and I LIKE IT!
That's just the thing as my previous post mentioned, I chose my units on what was important to ME.It just makes more sense to me to actually get on tape (harddisk) what went down, I find that important. I went to a Roland VS 24 'clinic' before I purchased the AKAI. Roland reps use the same idealisms. They claim that the Roland compression is proprietary and is intentional. The say it gets the 'Roland' sound. Not a big thing, I just went with the path less followed out of research for my own tastes. Not saying one is better than the other. I like the Korg D1600 for some of it's features but I can't stand 'touch screen' anything and I REALLY like dedicated knobs. ULTIMATELY it simply comes down to how you use what you got, regardless of the unit.
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#967079 - 07/14/01 07:32 PM
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Well said, that goes for alot of audio.....
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#967080 - 07/15/01 02:57 AM
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The edge to which I referred: I think they were first-to-market in a big way, and had a lot of units out in the world by the time competitive pieces started to appear.
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#967081 - 07/15/01 04:43 AM
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The edge to which I referred: I think they were first-to-market in a big way, and had a lot of units out in the world by the time competitive pieces started to appear.
Visit the VS Planet for evidence of this. It's not called the Planet for nuthin'...it's about the same size as this entire site, but dedicated to ONE product line by ONE manufacturer of MANY product lines. The forums are massive, and broken down to 8 different forums, most so active it's hard to keep track. When I first joined the Planet, I posted an introductory thread on the 880/890 forum, and it went to 3 pages of welcomes and constructive discussions (the first time I posted here I got flamed by Fletcher). The General/OffTopic forum is like a site of it's own, where you have guys and gals, thousands of them, who know how many kids the others have and what they like to do in their private lives, and where a guy named Jack Dupont will gladly hold forth with you on an intelligent discussion about any subject you want to discuss as if you were important for just thinking what you think. They have photo galleries of forum members (organized by a sweetheart of a guy named Hano) broken down by portraits of members, and photos of their studios. They've compiled at least a half dozen forum compilation CDs. I've been here almost a year now, and we haven't completed our first yet (although it looks as if the first will be done by the end of August). Face it, however they did it, Roland got WAY out front on the stand-alone tip with the VS.
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#967082 - 07/15/01 06:36 AM
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If I was looking at these units I'd have many questions. I'd wonder what types of converters come on these things. Also, the effects. And the mixing engines. As well, how intuitive the interfaces are and what little extra's each unit has.
Another curiosity I'd have, one that I dont have the resources myself to resolve would be on a superficial level comparing some of these things to the more prosumer computer daw stuff. Like, how do the converters on rolands v-studio stuff compare to a delta 1010, digi 001 or a 2408. And how do the internal effects on these units copmpare to the waves gold bundle, bombfactory and mcdsp plugs. And while this may be pushing it, how are the audio editing tools in a "v-studio" compared to pro tools or logic audio.
I dont have the answers here, but anyways....
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#967083 - 07/15/01 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by Curve Dominant:
Face it, however they did it, Roland got WAY out front on the stand-alone tip with the VS.[/B]
That has never been a question. Roland was the first, they continued to add more products. They offered similiar machines for both beginers and pros and like anything new that is good, word of mouth spread like wildfire because the product was very ingenious.
HOWEVER, regardless of the size of Roland's forum or popularity, It certainly does not make thier product the best, not by a long shot. The fact is, by the time I decided to purchase a similiar unit, there were many more to choose from and some with features that I prefered.Better? too subjective, but I went with something else. I am just glad that Roland is not the ONLY available unit. Same holds true with ALL gear. Line 6 or Johnson, or H&K, Yamaha DG, etc. Funny how thw Yahama DG has won 'taste test' over and over and over, but hmm... who is the mass popularity winner. Line 6 of course. I would Always choose the Yamaha over the Line 6 though I own a POD because when I bought it the Yamaha was not available. Get my point? Who makes a better Acoustic guitar? Martin, Bougouis, Lakewood, Gibson, Tacoma? It comes down to taste. I don't care who has the biggest forum or the most followers, I buy gear for performance and features that fit MY tastes. Pretty simple.
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#967084 - 07/15/01 06:09 PM
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I don't care who has the biggest forum or the most followers, I buy gear for performance and features that fit MY tastes. Pretty simple.
Copy that, Bonafide; by the way, have you checked out the Tascam SX-1? Aye aye aye, when I can afford that baby, the VS will go bye bye, make no mistake about it...
http://www.TASCAM.com/products/sx1/sx1.cfm
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#967085 - 07/15/01 06:27 PM
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I bought the Akai DPS16 because I felt it's user interface was the most logically designed of all the stand-alone recorders. It was my first foray into digital recording and I wanted something that I could get up and running with right away. I've never regretted buying it once....I love it.
I'm quite impressed with the built-in effects but I'm not sure if I like the EQ very well. If I could change one thing about it, I would add the ability to back up song data internally.
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#967086 - 07/15/01 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by SteveRB:
I'm quite impressed with the built-in effects but I'm not sure if I like the EQ very well. If I could change one thing about it, I would add the ability to back up song data internally.
Hey Steve, that's ironic since it is just the opposite for me. I love the EQ's visuals and real-rime knobs, I would have liked to see Q settings on the high and low. I found that I primarily use outboard reverb and Delay though I have used the Auto-Pan. Agreed about the Backup, but one cool thing is that there many Options to choose from as opposed to an AKAI backup burner. I bought the YAMAHA 8x4x24 EXTERNAL SCSI CDR-W Burner brand new on EBAY for $150, which was a steal. All I needed was to backup stuff since I use the Masterlink for recording CD's to. It would be interesting to chat about this unit with other users since there is no forum available.
Like to hear what you've done with it.
Cheers.
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#967087 - 07/15/01 09:57 PM
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You forgot ZOOM! ZOOM is coming out with a 10 track. I have the PS-02 and i like it a lot, including the sound. It works for what tone i'm trying to get on my demos. I might get the 10 track and use the PS-02 strictly for song ideas on the go.
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#967088 - 07/16/01 01:20 AM
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Regardless of brand, it seems that the market is splitting in two directions: people who use all-in-one machines, and computer-based aficionados. Is it just me, or is the component-oriented, "recorder + mixer" setup fading into history?
I really wish something like these buggers had been around when I first started recording...
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#967089 - 07/16/01 04:28 AM
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I used to have an Otari half inch reel to reel machine.It sounded very good,but the editing and mixing features on my Roland stuff are light years away from those razor blade/bounce six to two to free up tracks days.All in all,I prefer the recording experience with the new gear,I seem to get more done in less time."Undo" is a Godsend!
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#967090 - 07/16/01 06:04 AM
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...and multiple levels of undo with an undo history is even better! I wish everything came with an undo function 
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#967091 - 07/16/01 11:51 AM
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The biggest make or break for me is the quality of built of the FX. Akai has never had good FX(IMO). The Korg has decent ones. The Roland has the largerst variety and better or equal to the Yamaha. The Yamaha has good FX but not as much variety. For these reasons the Roland or Yamaha would be my only choices. This is of course subjective.
I have the VS880EX but have been mostly recording on my PC. This method is so unrealiable that I'm actually going back to the VS as my main recorder. I'll likely upgrade to the VS1880 at some point.
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#967092 - 07/16/01 01:15 PM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
Regardless of brand, it seems that the market is splitting in two directions: people who use all-in-one machines, and computer-based aficionados. Is it just me, or is the component-oriented, "recorder + mixer" setup fading into history?
I really wish something like these buggers had been around when I first started recording...
Craig, the recorder + mixer isn't exactly vanishing. As I'm sure you know, several companies are offering USB, and (soon I hope) Firewire audio interfaces with tactile control and several converters onboard. It's a fine line whether this is truly a recorder + mixer, or a recordermixer with a controller (as audio and digital audio travel through the hardware).
The pro studios with high end DAW's still tend to want a separate digital mixer or tactile surface to control the audio recording engine. My friend's job is installing Euphonix mixers in each of 3 suites as we speak.
In the consumer market the separation seems to eminate with whether you believe one manufacturer can get all the ingredients (converters, recording engine, efx, tools) together in one box, or if you must have the flexibility to pick and choose components. The former being VS, D1600, etc. boxes, and the latter PC/Mac DAW's.
It's my experience that many All-in-one-recorder users like to dump tracks or whole mixes into their computer for editing and/or mastering. With the advent of many DAW controls in the VS-2480, it will be interesting to see if this trend continues.
Perhaps the industry will diverge and thrive in both directions for some time. Oh, yeah, it's much easier to work on live recordings or record in someone else's space with the All-in-one-recorders.
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#967093 - 07/16/01 02:41 PM
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"have you checked out the Tascam SX-1? Aye aye aye, when I can afford that baby, the VS will go bye bye, make no mistake about it..."
You can't tell me that a $9000 stand alone 16 track is gonna compete with the vs or any other machines mentioned. That's way out of the price point. Rediculous price for what you get if you ask me.
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#967094 - 07/16/01 11:23 PM
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I purchased the Tascam 788, and believe it to be heads and shoulders quality-wise above the competition. It is pretty much hella easy to navigate, and at either 16- or 24-bit, it sounds very good. I've used the other boxes, either a little or a lot. I was *this* close to a VS840, but I like Tascam, am a long time user, and wanted to go 24-bit WITHOUT a computer.
I use it in conjunction with an MPC for sequencing. The eight tracks have only shown to be a "limitation" once. I primarily use it for vocals, and to record music for demo presentation. The CD "mastering" feature is cool (I also have the CDR788), but I only use it once in a while, to do DAOs. I usually mix to a standalone.
So, basically, I needed quality and speed. I also needed flexibility at a fair price. All the levels of undo and virtual tracks are a godsend.
But I do like the AW4428s/4416s, and DPS24s, and VS2480s of the world. The fx are usable, sometimes very cool. The automation/scene recall are great. But they won't be all in one 'til they start including more inputs.
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#967095 - 07/18/01 09:54 PM
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Like most of us I buy what I can afford. Like Bonafide I focus on what’s important to me and that’s GREAT VOCAL SOUND -- to me if it records voices right it’ll record anything right.
I may have been among the first 500 to buy an Akai DPS12, and it broke my heart to send it back. It was the buggy Jaz drive version, and while both the high energy and mellow-ballad demos on it were AWESOMELY clear and smooth, I couldn’t record on it for some reason – even if I shouted into it a only whispering ghost of a track would playback. After a week of tech support calls and peer queries on the web, we said goodbyes.
In store demos the VS-880 demo songs didn’t impress me, but that and the 880's LIVE mode are the only times I've noticed what seemed to be compression artifacts. So I analoged along ‘til 6 months later I found a VS-880 WITH fx card for $650 and couldn’t resist. “I did good”, and I’m STILL impressed tho’ I sold it to a church in an end-of-year money crunch last year. We may NEVER know how many capabilities the VS’s have stored in their menus!
A big surprise came when I used the free VS Copy software to dump its contents (most recorded MT2 or MT1 and several favorite doowop shows from the radio thru mic-ins) to my PC before selling … the resulting wave files (played back through a CARDD sound card on my PC) SOUNDED BETTER (smoother, richer and clearer) than thru the same speakers and amp directly out of the VS. It was like everything had been run through a sonic maximizer! So I assume that richer quality was in the songs, I just wasn’t hearing it directly out of the VS I guess. Everything I’d recorded before was good sounding, but this was extra.
I’ve A/B’d the rich crop of latercomers and on sound quality and features it seems I’m about to spring for a KORG D16 (and install a 30G HD) and work my way up. For me the sound is super clear and smooth like Akai’s and it’s feature-rich. The touch screen is a plus, and for the days I don’t wanna touch they’ve got buttons for everything. The extreme portability of its size is great. It doesn’t feel “toy”-like to me any more than a firewire-equipped laptop does.
Happy Tracking, Brothers
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#967096 - 07/18/01 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by lovesinger:
A big surprise came when I used the free VS Copy software to dump its contents (most recorded MT2 or MT1 and several favorite doowop shows from the radio thru mic-ins) to my PC before selling … the resulting wave files (played back through a CARDD sound card on my PC) SOUNDED BETTER (smoother, richer and clearer) than thru the same speakers and amp directly out of the VS. It was like everything had been run through a sonic maximizer! So I assume that richer quality was in the songs, I just wasn’t hearing it directly out of the VS I guess.
(P.S.) Either that or VS Copy is a greater utility than anyone knows it is. Originally posted by lovesinger:
I’m about to spring for a KORG D16 ... the sound is super clear and smooth like Akai’s and it’s feature-rich
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#967097 - 07/19/01 07:41 AM
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"have you checked out the Tascam SX-1? Aye aye aye, when I can afford that
baby, the VS will go bye bye, make no mistake about it..."
You can't tell me that a $9000 stand alone 16 track is gonna compete with the vs
or any other machines mentioned. That's way out of the price point. Rediculous
price for what you get if you ask me.
Did you check out the link? That is a pretty impressive list of features. And that is a list price. My guess would be 7/7500 street price.
The above mentioned units don't even come close to that list of features.
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#967098 - 07/19/01 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by dr destructo: (Re the TASCAM SX-1)
Did you check out the link? That is a pretty impressive list of features. And that is a list price. My guess would be 7/7500 street price.
The above mentioned units don't even come close to that list of features.
I don't usually think of me this way, but I've been snakebit and charmed by just SX-1's features list already, and I'm starting to gearslut a little. And being TASCAM I don't think we'll have to wait 9 months for a vaporware-to-realware store appearance, either. At twice the price of their MX-2424 and easily five times more machine , I'm starting to think "this is a good time for a home equity loan".
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#967099 - 07/19/01 11:18 PM
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I didn't even bother to respond to that post that the SX-1 is too expensive. In case Jeff the Tascam Guy is busy...
• Extremely flexible 40 input, 32 x 8 digital mixing console with 100mm, touch sensitive faders, advanced built-in dynamic automation, and 16 high-quality phantom-powered mic preamps.
• Full-function, 48kHz, 24-bit, 16-track hard disk recorder that uses an internal IDE disk drive. 8 tracks of 96khz recording will be possible with a software upgrade following soon after release (converters are 96k). Additional IDE and ultrawide SCSI drives may be connected to the SX-1 via a front-panel slot or a rear panel SCSI interface.
• Highly integrated and intuitive waveform, MIDI, and automation data editing via an internal recording/editing engine that uses the fast, reliable, multimedia-optimized BeIA operating system and an extremely powerful graphics engine.
• Complete surround mixing capabilities with the ability to record a full 5.1 mix to the internal HD in addition to the original 16 audio tracks.
• 128-track MIDI sequencer with advanced editing modes that are available on the fly, with standard and step record modes and highly accurate timing derived from the internal sample clock. Each of the 64 MIDI outputs can be mapped to channel strips on the console, and channel strip faders and knobs can then be assigned to output MIDI channel or custom, user-defined MIDI messages.
• Built-in CD-RW drive for printing stereo mixes, data backup and archiving, and importing sounds from audio or data CDs.
• DSP plug-in technology that offers built-in effects by TASCAM, TC Works and Antares as standard features as well as the ability to add new effects as required.
• Extensive analog, digital, MIDI and computer interfacing that includes (16) balanced XLR inputs, (16) 1/4" TRS line inputs, TRS inserts on each analog input, an onboard speaker switcher, eight channels of ADAT Optical digital interface, two stereo S/PDIF inputs (with sample rate conversion) and outputs, wordclock In/Out/Thru, two MIDI inputs (for MIDI controllers and MIDI Time Code), four MIDI outputs, a SCSI port, two USB ports, a 100Mbits Ethernet jack for FTP capabilities, separate studio and control room monitoring and more.
• Built-in timecode/sync support via SMPTE/LTC, video sync, and Sony P2.
• Expansion slots for 24 more channels of digital I/O (including optional multichannel interfaces for AES/EBU, TDIF, ADAT Optical) or additional analog I/O.
• Onboard LCD screen that offers a wide variety of editing and automation information (including waveforms)
• XVGA output that acts as a complete, stand-alone DAW interface for total control of the machine with no external computer required
• Authors MP3 files
• Jog/shuttle wheel for scrubbing audio and MIDI data simultaneously
• Cascadable with TASCAM's DM-24 Digital Mixing Console to add input channels and interfaces
I'll say it once more, "Aye aye aye!!!"
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#967100 - 07/20/01 04:40 AM
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Originally posted by mix2much@excite.com:
"have you checked out the Tascam SX-1? Aye aye aye, when I can afford that baby, the VS will go bye bye, make no mistake about it..."
You can't tell me that a $9000 stand alone 16 track is gonna compete with the vs or any other machines mentioned. That's way out of the price point. Rediculous price for what you get if you ask me.
Hello
Break this down. We can get a standalone 16 track for $3,000. Think Yamaha. Yamaha also makes a very powerful dedicated sequencer the QY700 for maybe $1,000. Put these together and you spent $4,000. What are we missing here? Essentially we have the same power as the TASCAM sx1 for 1/2 the price. And We still have loads left for other stuff. Let's watch some of the other leading companies put out their own sx1 with 24 trax for just $5,000. It's coming.
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#967101 - 07/20/01 07:09 AM
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Cereal is right.
Buy SX1 in October and eat your balls in a salad by March 2002.
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