#945486 - 07/28/00 11:33 AM
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briah@worldpath.net
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he we are standing on the edge of the musical maelstrom,the next "big thing" ever haunting & plagueing the 'music community".where as the guitar,keyboard,and many other classic symbols of music
have enjoyed the limelight for sometime ,the pioneers of these great instruments also have enjoyed that light as well.
now we see this changing. "performing engineering" starts to make a rise.it seems as thought we have the dj to thank for that.
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#945487 - 07/28/00 05:55 PM
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To THANK, or to BLAME for that?
I was over yet another, non-talented, computer based recording (in Dad's basement) studio the other day, whos owner's wanted me to "Master" their stuff.
The samples didn't even start on time, wowed up to pitch, and there were a bunch of flanging and phasing issues, from the vocal "Double" being set too short. Plus there was a constant frequency on the verge of feedback from the headphone leakeage, and they only used ONE channel of the stereo recording to monitor (Guess they figure that's why DJ headphones only have one ear).
Thanks, DJs, for helping to advance the "art" of recording to such a high degree of competence.
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#945488 - 07/28/00 06:17 PM
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You're probably just standing on the edge of a cow pasture in a high wind.
I've seen Robert Fripp, Pink Floyd, and Keith Emerson "performing engineering" for quite awhile - perhaps you are too young - hey, and they actually played their own riffs while doing it (most of the time) - amazing yes.
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
Ecclesiastes or the Remixers Guide to Hitchhiking?
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#945489 - 07/30/00 04:51 AM
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no doubt, eno was a live engineer with fripp long before these wackos came out. and to tell you the truth, what he was turning out in 73 is STILL far better than anything i have heard yet today from the "new". and im not that old.
i am however working on that new breakthrough that will destroy all the CRAP out right now. if somebody else doesnt do it first. god music sucks these days.
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#945490 - 07/30/00 12:54 PM
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ALPHA ENO? 
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#945491 - 07/30/00 01:42 PM
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hey whats that warm mushy substance seeping in between my toes? 
young...yes.
naive...yes.
excited...yes.
steve great quote. 
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#945492 - 07/31/00 04:31 AM
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Man, I can't wait for the "messiah". But, for some good new stuff, check out Chris Cornell's "Euphoria Morning". Kick butt tunes and Amazing sound! Anybody know anything about the recording? Also, Air's original score for "The Virgin Suicides" is excellent as well. Info on the recording of this album would be great to. Wicked grooves!. Thats about it. Any truth to the rumor of a Pink Floyd reunion?
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#945493 - 07/31/00 07:58 AM
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Hey, he got it right...there is a new type of music going on. Problem is, there aren't a whole lot of practitioners of it here in the US, so there's no frame of reference. This is not to diminish Fripp, Eno, Pink Floyd, etc. But what they were doing was substantively different from what today's "performing engineers" are doing. Some say what's happening now isn't done by "musicians" --check out the "Are DJs Musicians?" topic -- but there's no doubt it involves at the very least arranging and various kinds of non-traditional technical chops.
Does music really suck these days? I don't think so. But record companies here are so inept that you're not going to hear the good stuff, only the material that is deemed to have "blockbuster" status...most of which tends to be predictable, pedestrian, and ultimately unsatisfying.
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#945494 - 07/31/00 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
Does music really suck these days? I don't think so. But record companies here are so inept that you're not going to hear the good stuff, only the material that is deemed to have "blockbuster" status...most of which tends to be predictable, pedestrian, and ultimately unsatisfying.
Why would you not hear the good stuff? That is ridiculous and pathetic. If you don't have control over that, then you deserve your hell.
I see tons of post whining about not hearing good music today and how music today sux. What’s the deal? I do not listen to what I think is bad music – I just don’t do the POP radio thing – I don’t tune in to NSync on HBO, or the Grammy’s with Celine – you don’t have to watch that stuff or listen to it. I bet 75% or better of the music being made is nothing like that stuff – those are a handful of crap commercial acts that get shoveled to the crowd with lots of marketing hype. (Oh, and sure that winch can sing, and I’m sure she is making someone as happy as she makes me want to puke.)
Even in Atlanta, there are many music venues with a wide variety of emerging bands trying very different styles of music. There are quite a few great Jazz groups going thru – John Zorn, Peter Brotzmann, Herbie Hancock, Joe McPhee – just to name a few recent ones. Free improv thrives at a gallery called EyeDrum – sure we get some cheeseball stuff – but I wish I had the time to go out enjoy and support all the good music coming thru here and I wish I had more time to get up to NYC and do the same there – or Seattle – I’m sure it is everywhere.
And then there is the Symphony and the old standbys – Steely Dan and Roger just came thru, once in a while Rick Derringer drops in, Pink Floyd did a great show last time out here. And the newer rock, like Sonic Youth, a group from NC – Palvo, some decent locals staples like the Swimming Pool Q’s…..it just goes on and on.
Look, I just got this notification in email while I'm typing this:
The legendary Ali Farka Toure makes his Atlanta debut at the Variety Playhouse on Saturday, August 5th. He will be joined by protege Afel Bocoum along with a full rhythm band. Their only southeastern appearance this year!
Christ, we have several centuries of music to choose from and you couldn't get to it all if you had to.
I say, get off your sorry butts and support the music you love to hear – I think your vote counts.
And about this new music thing, Craig – is it really happening? Or do we wish it would happen so badly, that we’ll just pin it on the most likely candidate to make ourselves feel better? Please point me to some examples of this music.
And if these are new musicians, what about it is new? How do I know one of them if I see them coming?
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#945495 - 07/31/00 02:27 PM
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i gotta say in the sleepy town i live in has a plethora of local music that BLOWS away anything released by the majors. i could practically go out every night and see great music. and they arent those crappy "performing engineers" which arent doing anything that different than eno 25 years ago and sucks much harder than anything he ever did [excpet maybe U2, which is wretched], and i am growing really tired of this not the the states attitude??? i really cant stand most forms of electronica out right now so i would probably still think it sucks regardless if its from the underground in germany or the mainstream here. but i would have to say i have heard really organic electronic mixture stuff here in the us that most likely blow the europeeing compitition.
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#945496 - 07/31/00 03:20 PM
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One of the most interesting performances I have seen in awhile is a group called Atari Teenage Riot – like standing in front of twelve freight trains coming on full tilt. It was exhilarating, but I don’t think you can call them musicians – a performance yes, a show yes, but there was no playing – at least I don’t think there was, but it was very dark and lots of strobes and who the hell knows what they were doing – people were up it the air somewhere – I don’t know. Lots of sound cranked up thru an apparent rack of peak limiters fully lit up. Is this one of the new batch of musicians( if 8 years counts as new)?
I listened to one of their albums at a friends a few nights ago also - not too bad - interesting experiment in completely eliminating dynamic range - probably'd make Dr. Al go ballistic 
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#945497 - 08/01/00 06:14 AM
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>>Why would you not hear the good stuff? That is ridiculous and pathetic. If you don't have control over that, then you deserve your hell.<<
You wouldn't hear it because you wouldn't know it existed! There are some college and internet radio stations where you can get exposed to pretty cool stuff, and yes, a few music-only web sites. But I miss the situation like you have in most of Europe, where you can bring a bunch of CDs to a player, strap on a set of headphones, and check out any CD in the store. That has turned me on to lots of cool stuff.
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I've never enjoyed music more than I am now, both making it and listening to it. Not that it negates cool stuff from the past, or some of my other faves (like dance hall reggae and African pop music), just that it's fresh and gets me off emotionally.
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Only if you're a record company .
<< Please point me to some examples of this music.>>
Some of my favorites are Cirrus (I liked their first CD, "Drop the Break," better than "Back on a Mission"), Rei$$dorf Force (conflict of interest alert: I just mastered their CD "Smart Dust" and play with them), Frank Heiss, Moby, Lords of Acid if you're into harder stuff, Left Field (particulary "Leftism"), Cold Cut, Carl Cox...that's just a start...
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#945498 - 08/01/00 10:55 PM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
>>Why would you not hear the good stuff?
You wouldn't hear it because you wouldn't know it existed! There are some college and internet radio stations where you can get exposed to pretty cool stuff, and yes, a few music-only web sites. But I miss the situation like you have in most of Europe, where you can bring a bunch of CDs to a player, strap on a set of headphones, and check out any CD in the store. That has turned me on to lots of cool stuff.
Wow, I don't have time to listen to all the new stuff I get exposed to from the local live acts, to the monthly sampler from Wired, to the cool stuff on MP3.COM, to the Jazz and Blues and other genres that get piped into our cable system, to the stuff my friends and other musicians turn me onto - I still have CDs in wrappers - and NOW I have to find some time to check out that list you gave me - not that I don't appreciate it - thanks, I'll get to them as soon as I can. Oh yes, you're right the college radio station - man I'm overloaded.
There's a record store hear in Atlanta where you can sample CDs. With a cable modem though, it goes much faster over the WEB.
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