#945230 - 07/13/00 05:24 PM
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I have a client that wants me to pull the vocal out of a song on a CD. He's willing to buy whatever single piece of hardware we'll need to do this and then leave it with me on top of paying the studio rate.
Anyone have suggestions on a few devocalizers in a few different price ranges? Is there a plugin or would hardware be best?
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#945231 - 07/13/00 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by mpn@smrp.com:
I have a client that wants me to pull the vocal out of a song on a CD. He's willing to buy whatever single piece of hardware we'll need to do this and then leave it with me on top of paying the studio rate.
Anyone have suggestions on a few devocalizers in a few different price ranges? Is there a plugin or would hardware be best?
It's very easy to remove a vocal if it's recorded in mono. Just throw the two channels out of phase, so the center cancels, and use a filter to restrict cancellation to the vocal range only if possible. You'll lose some snare and kick, but this is a simple way to do things. PAIA Electronics at http://www.paia.com sells a piece of hardware called the Vocal Zapper that does the phase cancellation trick. However, stereo components (such as reverb) remain. This isn't always a bad thing, though, as the reverb goes well behind karaoke singers . And vocals recorded by doubling or using other stereo techniques are hard to remove. Any other suggestions?
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#945232 - 07/13/00 09:15 PM
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Thanks Craig!
That's good info. I was looking at the electrix eqkiller. Anyone have any knowledge of this box?
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#945233 - 07/14/00 05:19 AM
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Originally posted by mpn@smrp.com:
Thanks Craig!
That's good info. I was looking at the electrix eqkiller. Anyone have any knowledge of this box?
EQ alone can only do so much in removing a vocal, which is why I use the phase-based approach. I've never checked out one of those LT Vocal Eliminators; maybe they use some other principle of operation. Anyone ever use one of these? Was it effective?
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#945234 - 07/14/00 01:20 PM
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The Roland VS880 (and I'm sure all the other VS models have this) has a vocal cancellation effect. It does the process that Craig described. I've only played around with (never needed to actually use it), but i think the main controls are just a level control to control how much center channel is being cut and a frequency control to tune in on the vocal frequencies. It works pretty nicely, but depending on what's in the same frequency range as the vocal, it can seriously effect the sound of the song. And, like Craig said, reverb (or any other stereo effect -- or stereo background vocals) won't be removed, so it really can;t make an instrumental version for you.
You might check out the Boss VF-1 effects box. It seems to have most of the VS880's effects in it and I think it's only around $350.
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#945235 - 07/14/00 03:48 PM
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> Anyone have suggestions on a few devocalizers in a few different price ranges?<
What Craig (and others) described works more or less, but there are refinements you can use to avoid losing too much of the kick and snare and other centered instruments. I wrote an article that discusses all of the ramifications of this process. It also explains how to remove vocals using only a standard stereo Wave file editor. You don't need to buy anything. (But don't tell your client that!)
The article is listed on my web site at:
http://www.ethanwiner.com/articles.html
Look for "The Truth About Vocal Eliminators."
--Ethan Winer
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#945236 - 07/14/00 04:27 PM
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Thanks for the tip, Ethan. I'll check our the URL. I've used Cool Edit Pro for removing vox before, but I'd be nice to be able to do this in any stereo editor.
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Dylan
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#945237 - 07/14/00 05:39 PM
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Prosoniq had a software plug-in called Pandora, but they don't even have it up in their website anymore. Maybe it didn't sell. You might be able to locate one through the links to stores at their site. The problem with that is you need to have their editor, SonicWorx, to use it, and it's only for the Mac.
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#945238 - 07/14/00 11:36 PM
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Go to http://www.analogx.com and you can download the vocal remover for FREE, as a direct-X plug in!!
 
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#945239 - 07/16/00 05:09 PM
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> I've used Cool Edit Pro for removing vox before, but I'd be nice to be able to do this in any stereo editor.<
The problem with every automated process I've seen is they only subtract one channel from the other. But that also kills the bass and kick drum. So what I do is roll off the low end a bit on one channel before combining. This way the channels mostly cancel, but not for the lowest notes below the vocal range.
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#945240 - 07/17/00 04:44 AM
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BTW Ethan, thanks for your quality posts in the various topics, they're appreciated. Has anyone noticed that NOT ONE flame war has broken out in Sound, Studio, and Stage? I think that says a lot about who participates...
Thanks again.
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#945241 - 07/17/00 06:42 AM
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i feel like im on prozac in here. are putting subliminal tags in the code???
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#945242 - 07/17/00 01:17 PM
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Craig:
Maybe there's no flame wars are because no one here is old enough to use matches. 
I HAD to start one!! 
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#945243 - 07/17/00 01:28 PM
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Thanks for all of the help. Are there any pieces of hardware or TDM plugins that would be usefull in this process. My client is willing to buy me whatever I need to do the job. I'd hate to pass this up.
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#945244 - 07/17/00 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by Anderton:
BTW Ethan, thanks for your quality posts in the various topics, they're appreciated. Has anyone noticed that NOT ONE flame war has broken out in Sound, Studio, and Stage? I think that says a lot about who participates...Thanks again.
Craig,
Thanks! (If you're looking for flame wars I'd be happy to start one . I have a LOT of opinions...)
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#945245 - 07/17/00 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by mpn@smrp.com:
Thanks for all of the help. Are there any pieces of hardware or TDM plugins that would be usefull in this process. My client is willing to buy me whatever I need to do the job. I'd hate to pass this up.
As mentioned, there's the PAIA Vocal Zapper and the LT Vocal Eliminator.
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#945246 - 07/18/00 05:01 AM
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AND, as I said, the FREE vocal remover Direct-X plug in from http://www.analogx.com
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#945247 - 07/18/00 02:41 PM
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Sorry didn't mean to sound stupid, like I didn't read the posts. I was just trying to see if there might be something else out there especially a TDM plugin. I'm looking at the LT Vocal Eliminator. It looks pretty good. I just want something to take the work out of it especially if the client's buying.
Thanks for all the help.
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#945248 - 07/18/00 07:24 PM
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try the freebie first and if it works, tell him you just need a good bottle of scotch to get it done.
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