#883077 - 05/01/06 12:29 AM
Advanced Drum Miking and Effects
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Danny1
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I am looking for any hints anyone has in regards to drum miking, I already have a good understanding of phase cancellation and types of mics. Also if you are using effects (reverb) for your vocals is it better to have a send for each singer (we have an average of five) or just a vocal group which you then route through your FX units.
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#883078 - 05/03/06 11:12 AM
Re: Advanced Drum Miking and Effects
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Originally posted by Danny1:
Also if you are using effects (reverb) for your vocals is it better to have a send for each singer (we have an average of five) or just a vocal group which you then route through your FX units.
Danny,
I think your question involves 2 different vocal routing schemes:
1) Individual vocal mic channels w/rev sends are sent directly to the reverb, then to the main outs, or:
2) vocal mics are routed to a sub-group, which is then sent to the rev as a composite, and then to the main outs.
If that's the situation, let's assume you use:
situation 1: What happens is a 'send' of the voice is routed to a buss, along with all the other channel(voices, instruments) 'sends' that include reverb. The buss is then patched to the reverb, and comes back to a mixer 'return' buss. The reverb doesn't actually return to the original channel. It gets mixed with the dry channel signals at the main outs. That's the way it's normally done, and should be done if different instruments are sharing one reverb unit. I'm sure you know this.
situation 2: If you are using a sub-group for convenience, the group must ALSO have a 'send' to the same common reverb unit. The problem is you won't have individual control over each mic's reverb, because it's a composite signal. Also, you can't use just the original mic channels' sends to feed the reverb, because the level of reverb won't follow the composite group signal's volume changes.
IMO, use situation 1 unless you must sub-group, in which case make sure the sub-group can indeed send an adjustable composite signal to the reverb 'send' buss. The trade-off is control vs. ease of use, not sound.
Ouch!! Think too much. Head hurt now.  Need beer...   
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#883079 - 05/04/06 04:09 AM
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Danny1
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Mate what I was thinking of doing is putting an independant reverb on each mic Send/return, so I can individually control the amount of reverb for each vocalist - and then send my vocals mix to a sub- group so I can easily control the volume for all the vocals at once (not the reverb vol. With this setup
each mics volume level will be contolled by the individual channel faders while master vol of the vocals will be done using sub- group
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#883080 - 05/04/06 10:21 AM
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Originally posted by Danny1:
Mate what I was thinking of doing is putting an independant reverb on each mic Send/return, so I can individually control the amount of reverb for each vocalist
Mabee I'm reading this wrong. Unless you use actual, seperate reverb "units" for each mic (which is what the above quote implies), and use channel inserts for feeds/returns, it just doesn't work that way. I can't imagine why you'd do that. Does the mixer have built-in reverb, or are you using a seperate, stand-alone unit(s)?
Channel sends are intended to feed a single effect unit or a series of units; either internal or external. Once the rev sees the signals from the mic channels, it sums the reverb and passes it back to a return buss.. NOT to each mic channel. If you do it that way and use a sub-group for group leveling, the reverb's composite return level will remain constant, but the DRY sub-group mix will vary when you make level adjustments. Drop the sub-group level a bit, and you have to go reset each mic reverb send. Not good.
The composite reverb return signal is NOT part of the sub-group OR the mic channels at this point. Again, it's normally returning to a different point in the mixer. Where it reurns is your call.
The only way to do what I think you're suggesting (with a single reverb unit) and be able to adjust individual, overall reverb AND dry sub-group level at the same time is:
1) As normal, 'send' each mic channel to the rev input.
2) take the reverb unit's output and route it to seperate input channel on the mixer. EQ for the reverb can also be adjusted here.
3) route that channel to the vocal sub-group.
At that point, the composite reverb and composite dry vocal are mixed, and can be adjusted as a single source. Individual reverb can still be adjusted at the mic channel, and overall reverb level set at the new reverb 'return' channel.
IMHO, a lot of extra work for nothing. Also a lot of possibilities for level mismatches.
If you can't envision what I'm saying, hook it up that way and give it a go. Whatever works.
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#883081 - 05/13/06 02:15 PM
Re: Advanced Drum Miking and Effects
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lenin
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In this forum i can find help about which the best microphone tecniques i can use to record a symphony orchestra?
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#883082 - 05/13/06 06:03 PM
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paully
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Originally posted by lenin:
In this forum i can find help about which the best microphone tecniques i can use to record a symphony orchestra?
Lenin:
Not really. You have to start your own new question. Go to the "Project Studio Forum" at the MP Forums web site (the home page for forums, including this one). You'll see it when you back out of this question and the "Tech" forum. When you get to the "Project Studio Forum", use "Post a New Topic", and give as much information as you can in your question.
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