#881724 - 02/02/01 12:38 PM
Amp and pedal setup
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pmstew
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Need Help!
I have bought all I need now I need help setting up...
Have 2 good amp setups, and many many pedals. but how to setup? I want to use my 6 DOD's, Crybaby and Ibanex Tube Sceamer with my Carvin X100B (w/4/12) and my Twin (2/12) and a a-b box all togather? should I send the efect through the effects loop in the Carvin or Twin? or all in one big line up ?
Thanks...
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#881725 - 02/05/01 06:42 PM
Re: Amp and pedal setup
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MidiMagic
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That's about like asking what route is best for biking from New York City to Los Angeles. I don't even know what 6 of your effects are.
Just using one amp, a Y-cord, the A-B box, and the 8 devices you list, I found 322560 different ways to connect them. Using the two amps and their effects loops pushes the total to 39916800. So you are going to have to figure out what effects you want to appear together, and what order they need to be in for one effect to act on another.
Actually, there are two different kinds of effects:
1. Signal PROCESSORS require the entire signal to go through them for the effect to even work. If some signal can bypass them, the effect is subdued to the point that it might not even be noticed. These include equalizer, filter (including wah-wah devices), compressor, expander, gate, limiter, fake rotary speaker, volume pedal, pitch corrector, sustain, and other devices that remove parts of the signal or modify them. If your effects loop has a knob marked "effects" which is added to the amp output mix, then this kind of effect will NOT work in the effects loop.
2. EFFECT generators do not require the entire signal to go through them to work right. They just need a sample of the signal. Examples are reverb, delay (added, not initial), chorus, phaser, flanger, distortion, second tone generator, harmonizer and other effects that add new sounds. These work in the effects loop.
Then there is the problem of extra noise and hum from running your signal through all of that stuff.
The only way to really solve this is for you to play around with all 39916800 combinations (hopefully most of them were eliminated by the division into the two kinds of effects above).
In other words, it's up to you.
This message has been edited by MidiMagic on 02-05-2001 at 03:47 PM
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#881726 - 03/05/01 10:40 PM
Re: Amp and pedal setup
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Eric Barnett
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My question is: do you need all of this stuff? When I began getting interested in effects, I went out and bought fifteen-thousand stomp boxes (you know, 5 different distortions, etc.) and multiple amps. I also went through the same thing as you when it came to connecting everything. Pretty soon, I settled on a combination, but I realized:
1. There were some pedals I never even used
2. It sucks to maintain batteries
3. Carrying everything is a backbreaker
4. Set up time takes so long, by the time you have your equipment set up, the band is ready to go, and you have no time to tune your guitar
So, my advice is to consolidate: use the pedals you step on the most and explore the tone controls on each pedal, your amp, and your guitar. Most importantly, however, is your own personal style. How you sound is all in your hands. If you can develop personal style on a small, portable rig, it is more impressive than $15,000 dollars worth of equipment.
Keep playin' and good luck!
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#881727 - 03/25/01 09:57 AM
Re: Amp and pedal setup
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Neutron
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Actually they are all signal processors. The two main groups are dynamics processors (compressors, expanders, EQs, distortion, fuzz, overdrive, EQs, wahs) which deal with the amplitude and frequency of the sound, and time-based processors (delays, choruses, phasers, flangers, etc) which deal with the time and consequently the phase of the sound.
The best way to organize processors in a series is so that the chain generates the less noise possible. There are no rules at all, but what I do is always put the compressor before the distortion or fuzz, and the time based stuff at the end before the amp
Hope this helps..
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#881728 - 03/25/01 01:19 PM
Re: Amp and pedal setup
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pmstew
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Thanks!!! It has come down to trail and error... but your advise does help!
Pete
QUOTE]Originally posted by Richie Nieto:
Actually they are all signal processors. The two main groups are dynamics processors (compressors, expanders, EQs, distortion, fuzz, overdrive, EQs, wahs) which deal with the amplitude and frequency of the sound, and time-based processors (delays, choruses, phasers, flangers, etc) which deal with the time and consequently the phase of the sound.
The best way to organize processors in a series is so that the chain generates the less noise possible. There are no rules at all, but what I do is always put the compressor before the distortion or fuzz, and the time based stuff at the end before the amp
Hope this helps..[/QUOTE]
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