#780211 - 05/19/05 08:55 PM
Help recording jazz session
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jiminy
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Suggestions on mic choices for each of the instrument's mentioned and drums, would be a God send.
I want to record jazz drums with four mic's maybe five.
The rhythm section will be recorded first ie drums, e-bass or acoustic-bass and electric piano. Later solo horns, flute and guitar will be added.
I have in pair's: 414, 441, 480, 451, c12vr and Oktava 219's.
In single mic's I have: U87i, K2, 421, RE20, 3050, aea R84, 1050 & c535eb,
Mic pre's: 2 Grace 101's, DBX 576, Soundcraft M12, Presonus bluetube & tube pre.
Session will be be-bop, ballads, latin and fusion tunes like a modern Corea thing.I will be recording to a Korg D1600. 40G
Suggestions on mic choices for each of the instrument's mentioned and drums, would be a God send.
Thank You!!!
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#780212 - 05/19/05 11:10 PM
Re: Help recording jazz session
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I'd use the 414's on the drums. One overhead, and one out front. Run those through the Grace.
If you need a drastic change for the "modern Corea thing", I'd use the 414's in stereo overhead (again, through the Grace), and the RE20 in the kick.
I honestly think you'll be making more work and more headaches for yourself if you try 4 or 5 mics. In a situation like this, the drummer should be wise enough to have a well-tuned kit; it'll sound great on its own, and that's what you'll want to capture. Put the overheads about two feet above the drummer's head and back about a foot, and point the diaphragms at the overall picture of the drumheads.
For the electric bass...well, it depends on the guitar and the cabinet, really. Perhaps the U87i, or the 421. For acoustic, the aea R84.
What kind of electric piano? If it's a Rhodes--suitcase model--I'd opt for the 441's, one on each speaker. Myself, I would usually keep both mics in a mono-ish space, using a wide stereo spread only if the tune called for it.
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#780213 - 05/21/05 10:30 AM
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jiminy
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Thanks offramp for your advise. Excuse my ignorance, but what pads and pattern would you use for the mic setup you suggest.
Thank you
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#780214 - 05/21/05 11:14 AM
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joeq
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I like the 414s on overheads myself and I usually use them in cardiod with the pad on, either in X-Y or "recorderman". Try it with the -10db pad first and see, it depends on how loud the drummer gets. Those two overhead and a kick mic will be fine.
RE-20 can be nice on sax, and the R84 is heaven on trumpet or trombone, on anything really.
I know you didn't ask this, but for a jazz session I would be doing everything in my power to track the band all at once. Especially for anything resembling bebop. If you overdub the solos, you take away the interactions between the rhythm section and the soloists- a pretty big component of jazz, IMHO.
Either the rhythm section will have to play pretty bland stuff, or the soloists will have "learn" the track and fit their solos into what's already there- kind of straightjacketing. I have done the jazz overdub and it has ranged from OK to Train Wreck. Never "great".
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#780215 - 05/21/05 06:03 PM
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jiminy
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joeq commented:
"I know you didn't ask this, but for a jazz session I would be doing everything in my power to track the band all at once"
Joe my crux:
The clarinetist plays three different saxes, two different size flutes and is also the piano player. The guitarist plays vibes and synth. The drummer plays both a set and an assortment of latin percussion. The bass player will track upright bass and double over them with his electric. These guys have it down as far as experience of doubling to disc so if anything I will be scuffling to keep up with them.
With the mic's I own, what would be industry standard for pairing up the mic with the instrument? I also need some references like mic padding and what patterns to use? I have read many books and they talk about types of mic's and placement but leave out tweaking of the pattern settings and such. Some books say eq and or compress going in, others say no. I realize a seasoned tech will come away with what his ears tell him sounds good but what is the initial foundation a tech draws from, given my equipment?
Thanks for listening and advising, it is much appreciated.
jiminy
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#780216 - 05/21/05 09:52 PM
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joeq
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I see what you are saying- . I guess it would be pretty hard for the guy to play piano and clarinet at the same time.
one nice thing about overdubbing, the world is your oyster. You can set up a bunch of mics for the clarinet or whatever and see what fits the song best. If the band is as savvy as you say, they will probably express a clear preference.
in your position, I would generally track dry without EQ or compression.
there are plenty of suggestions on the more Audio-oriented forums with specifics on what mics to use for tracking acousitic bass, electric piano or latin percussion- all just a Search away.
Don't worry too much about "industry standard". For example on the sax, I have used the 414, the U87, the 441 and the RE-20 and been happy with the results.
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