#513050 - 03/24/02 11:27 PM
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coolhouse
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Hey everybody,
I'm gonna double-post this idea cause it's languishing on Nicole's howdy thread and I think it might be the answer to getting our music up for comment.
I agree with Jedi that there's a need for songwriting oriented comments on this forum. I think the way to do this and avoid the traffic jam that Craig's "is your music any good" thread has become,is for each member to start his own personal thread. This would be similar to what Dan did with his "Raw Songwriting
Sessions" thread.
If we each post a thread(for instance"Coolhouse's music here")then all the feedback on that thread will only apply to that person's material. If someone listens to your stuff & comments on it,your thread will get bumped and you'll know to check it out. It will also promote the rapid growth of this forum and should ensure continued participation. From what I hear,this forum has been a long time coming. Maybe this is a way to see to it that it stays around for a long time.
What do you all think? How about it Nicole?
 or :rolleyes: ?????
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Mike
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#513051 - 03/24/02 11:41 PM
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Dan Worley
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I think that is an excellent idea!!! Also, someone else mentioned this, and I agree with it: I would like to hear just raw songwriting recordings and not full-blown productions. The full-blowns are meant for the SSS. What do you think about that?
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#513052 - 03/25/02 01:39 AM
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Are you suggesting each member would have his own thread for all of his work and he would post it there? If so, I don't think that will work. The thread would get far too big if he posts lots of songs and several people comment.
If you mean start another thread for each new song, that would work. One thing I know for sure... I am absolutely totally opposed to lumping all lyric posts in with all other matters pertaining to songwriting without any differentiation between the two. There needs to be a subcategory or either some programming could be done. Such that when you post a lyric, it asks "Is this post a lyric?" or whatever. And if so, it would stick "Lyric" in front of your subject line. Some people may not have any inclination to critique someone else's work. Or they might love it. Knowing that it's a lyric, that could help. Actually, I would prefer it be in one forum and do some programming to differentiate as I suggested above.
Because it is getting to be burdensome to me already where people say "Hey, look at this" or "Check this out" or "Wow" or whatever and I have no clue what the thread's about. I've started many times to post a thread about that but I've hesitated to do it. But it's gettting out of hand, I think. We each only have so many hours in the day and having to click on something without having any idea what it is... that is not efficient at all. Many times I fear I miss a good thread because many times I will ignore something if it gives me no hint what it is.
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#513053 - 03/25/02 03:25 AM
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Dak Lander
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Originally posted by LiveMusic:
Are you suggesting each member would have his own thread for all of his work and he would post it there? If so, I don't think that will work. The thread would get far too big if he posts lots of songs and several people comment.
The individual posts would actually be smaller.
If you mean start another thread for each new song, that would work. One thing I know for sure... I am absolutely totally opposed to lumping all lyric posts in with all other matters pertaining to songwriting without any differentiation between the two. There needs to be a subcategory or either some programming could be done. Such that when you post a lyric, it asks "Is this post a lyric?" or whatever. And if so, it would stick "Lyric" in front of your subject line. Some people may not have any inclination to critique someone else's work. Or they might love it. Knowing that it's a lyric, that could help. Actually, I would prefer it be in one forum and do some programming to differentiate as I suggested above.
Because it is getting to be burdensome to me already where people say "Hey, look at this" or "Check this out" or "Wow" or whatever and I have no clue what the thread's about. I've started many times to post a thread about that but I've hesitated to do it. But it's gettting out of hand, I think. We each only have so many hours in the day and having to click on something without having any idea what it is... that is not efficient at all. Many times I fear I miss a good thread because many times I will ignore something if it gives me no hint what it is.
As it is, it's a raw song thread, not a lyrics thread so some of your concerns are moot but another thread for lyrics only would be appropriate. If we let the people who post lyrics, as has been done, know that the idea is to have raw music, it'll come about. (GROWING PAINS) Anyway, mention the lyrics thread idea to Nicole, & she can pass it on to the powers that be, or start one of your own.
As far as being burdensome. Man, & this is not to slam you in any way, shape or form, because most of them are pertinent, but you start more threads than anyone I've seen since I joined this forum. Most are valid but man, I don't have that kind of time & I'm un-employed right now.  
I get the idea, from your previous posts in other threads that you do covers. That's great, I do covers too but I also write & co-write songs that I perform. That's where the differece is, from my understanding of your statements. I certainly could be wrong.
Realistically, if you're not a writer in some form or other your input, as to how to accomplish a goal, or pursue an idea, won't help that much, if at all. Your input on a finished song is a different story.
In my personal opinion, I need and want, the ideas and critiques from people who actually write songs, not poems, and who have a real idea about what I'm going through.
Let's let the thread run as is for a bit & see if we have to adjust it.
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#513055 - 03/25/02 05:17 AM
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Yeah, the heck with it. I'm cool with it.
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#513056 - 03/25/02 12:20 PM
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Hey Dak and Duke,
I rarely get inbetween loving fueds and all, but I just got to say this. I think you guys have a real big misunderstanding. We all know it's hard to communicate effectively through a computer monitor, at the same time, it is real easy to misunderstand the "tone" of someone's post. I just wanted to make this quick observation, in hopes that you guys can be on better terms. I know it's probably not a big deal to either one of you, but I just had to say something because of the respect I have developed for both of you by reading your posts. You both seem like really nice, intelligent, and compassionate guys, and it would be a shame if you didn't get along. O.K. I'll shut up now, and mind my own business.
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#513057 - 03/25/02 02:16 PM
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LiveMusic
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Well, I went to reply to your post Dak but you took it out. But I was going to say...
I have had the flu, the worst flu of my life (no foolin') and it's still making me feel like hell and last night, I had fever. So, perhaps I am a bit cranky and overreacted. And maybe it has little to do with my having the flu. I dunno. Your post just kinda struck me the wrong way. If I misunderstood it, it's not the first time I've misunderstood something. From time to time, I have made some reply posts that I regretted making. This was one of them, since it made you mad. The content of the post, I wish I would have worded it a bit differently.
And yes, Jedi, it is true that the written word via the computer keyboard carries little emotion and can lead to silly misunderstandings. Life is short and this was unfortunate. So, I sorry for my bad.
But I guess I reacted to the post because I have hoped that I contribute to these forums and I cleared with the moderators the way I post. Asking questions is just as important to a forum as answering those questions. Ask anyone who owns a forum. And I certainly am never at a loss for questions.
A forum such as SSS, after you've been around for awhile (I've been here one year), it becomes a community. Like the old town square where people gather and chat. Or any place that people gather. And all kinds of things pop into my head that I think "Hey, I wonder what other people think about this." And those people are the forum members. You tend to want to hear their opinions. Even if the topic has nothing to do with the overall forum theme. (But as I said, I try to always put "OT" before the title and overall, I post more on-topic than off-topic.)
And no, Dak, I don't need for you to build me up; I don't think I said anything like that and hopefully, didn't infer it.
However, I'll admit that if forum members don't like something I'm doing, I need to know about it. So that I stop doing it. Majority rules.
I also realize now that you guys are talking about something different on this forum versus other songwriting forums. Your "raw sessions" or whatever you call it, you're talking about a thread where it has links to recorded raw sessions and that's pretty much it? This songwriting forum is brand new, so I really didn't understand what you meant. I actually assumed that lyrics would be posted in there as well.
And regarding lyrics, some have said that the lyric alone is meaningless. Well, I don't know. I understand why they say that but I think I disagree with that. A lyric is not a poem. A poem is a poem but a lyric is written word to be put to music. And there are things that you learn to do with those written words that are conducive to being set to music. In fact, there are known techniques to assemble a structure.
Certainly, it means far more to hear the lyric set to music. No doubt. But there is also a lot of critique that can spot an obvious screwup or bad choice of words or whatever. Before it has any music at all. Because sometimes, a lyric has very obvious "errors." Confusing words or phrase choices. Tense errors. Bad flow. Stuff like that.
As far as my comment about spending so much time on here... you asked if I have a guilty conscience? Not guilty for posting the threads I post. Not at all. (Because I got it cleared with the moderators and the members when I started doing it. And I do that on the SSS forum, the catchall forum.)
I do feel guilty for other things I should be doing. But I have learned a LOT from these forums. A lot. But learning is addictive. You gotta act as well as gather knowledge. And I really do sometimes think I spend too much time on here. The thought crosses my mind from time to time.
You always have good posts, Dak, so...
Peace and Love, that 60s thing
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#513058 - 03/25/02 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by coolhouse: Hey everybody,
I'm gonna double-post this idea cause it's languishing on Nicole's howdy thread and I think it might be the answer to getting our music up for comment.
I agree with Jedi that there's a need for songwriting oriented comments on this forum. I think the way to do this and avoid the traffic jam that Craig's "is your music any good" thread has become,is for each member to start his own personal thread. This would be similar to what Dan did with his "Raw Songwriting
Sessions" thread.
If we each post a thread(for instance"Coolhouse's music here")then all the feedback on that thread will only apply to that person's material. If someone listens to your stuff & comments on it,your thread will get bumped and you'll know to check it out. It will also promote the rapid growth of this forum and should ensure continued participation. From what I hear,this forum has been a long time coming. Maybe this is a way to see to it that it stays around for a long time.
What do you all think? How about it Nicole?
or :rolleyes: ?????
later,
Mike
Jack
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#513059 - 03/25/02 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Dan Worley:
I think that is an excellent idea!!! Also, someone else mentioned this, and I agree with it: I would like to hear just raw songwriting recordings and not full-blown productions. The full-blowns are meant for the SSS. What do you think about that?
Regards,
Dan Worley
Jack
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#513061 - 03/25/02 04:46 PM
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You two are so sweet  .
Hey, i have an opinion ( that's a surprise)on this whole "lyric only" thing.
I don't like poetry at all.
I don't like reading just lyrics, at all.
i have looked at lyrics before and thought that it was the stupidest bunch of words ever, but when i heard the finished song, though it was brilliant.
How the words are put to the music is far too important to leave out of the equation.
IMO if you just have lyrics you still have some work to do before i want to be bothered checking out your creation. If it's a poem, i promise it will bore me.
So, given that, i suggest that there be a lyric only thread, and one for actual songs. That way i don't have to sift through a bunch of stuff i'm not interested in to get to some music.
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#513062 - 03/25/02 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by halljams: You two are so sweet .
Originally posted by halljams:
Hey, i have an opinion ( that's a surprise)on this whole "lyric only" thing.
I don't like poetry at all.
I don't like reading just lyrics, at all.
i have looked at lyrics before and thought that it was the stupidest bunch of words ever, but when i heard the finished song, though it was brilliant.
How the words are put to the music is far too important to leave out of the equation.
IMO if you just have lyrics you still have some work to do before i want to be bothered checking out your creation. If it's a poem, i promise it will bore me.
So, given that, i suggest that there be a lyric only thread, and one for actual songs. That way i don't have to sift through a bunch of stuff i'm not interested in to get to some music.
Jack
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#513063 - 03/25/02 05:57 PM
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SkiNNY MulLIGan
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personally....i think that if some people spent as much time writing songs as they do on posts, they wouldn't sound so frustrated in their posts... 
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#513064 - 03/25/02 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by rammer24: personally....i think that if some people spent as much time writing songs as they do on posts, they wouldn't sound so frustrated in their posts...
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#513065 - 03/25/02 09:19 PM
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coolhouse
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Okay everyone,I don't see much need for a bunch of rules about what is or isn't appropriate,just a need for an easier way for folks to check out each other's songs.
What I'm gettin' from the posts so far is that everybody has differing ideas about what would be pertinent to individual song threads. That's the whole idea!!! It's your thread,you decide what you want to put on it. Lyrics only,rough drafts,finished productions,one verse,your entire catalog,etc.... You also decide what you want to get out of it. Critiques,comments,etc,as specific or as general as you want.
The point I'm trying to make here is that the "is your music any good" thread is so big that it's about ready for an internal search engine. If you are intrigued with something that someone said and become curious about their music,individual threads are
way easier to find than huntin' through 36 pages of posts. Conversely,if you want to find out what people think of your stuff,you won't have to look through the same 36 pages to see if anyone new has commented on it.
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Mike
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#513066 - 03/25/02 09:40 PM
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Dan South
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MP has a search engine, and it works pretty well. You can search by the name of a song, and artist's name, etc. You can search by user number, so if you find a post by John Q. Musician and note his user number, you can find any or all of his posts. This makes the Is Your Music Any Good thread quite searchable.
But if you guys want to do things differently, then by all means, try something and see how it works out. I have one suggestion, though. If you post a link to an MP3 or other online music clip, please post the style somewhere in the message. If I want to check out reggae songs, for instance, it would be convenient to be able to search for the word "reggae".
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#513067 - 03/25/02 10:45 PM
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SkiNNY MulLIGan
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Sylver....i rest my case....or actually, you rest my case for me...i'm flattered that i was good enough for you to quote...sometimes the truth hurts, doesn't it..... 
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#513068 - 03/25/02 11:15 PM
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I dunno but i recon it would be nice if everyone had their one thread with all their music in it and maybe in the signature thingy have a link to that page.
that way if someone comments on your music, you know you can return the favour.
Surely if every posts a new thread per new song, the forum would go crazy and some music would never get listened to.
just a thought anyway
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