#511994 - 04/10/04 12:49 PM
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Jason Poff
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I've read somewherre before that the uad1 has built in delay compensation, but I cannot find any mention of it on their website. Can someone verify this? Also does it compensate for non uad plugs as well (using DP4)? I'm in the middle of an upgrade and am trying to stick with dp4, but plugin latency has become a pita.
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#511995 - 04/11/04 03:25 AM
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I use the UAD with Sonar, Project 5 and Fruityloops. The delay compensation is a plug which is designed to delay the VST and Direct X plug ins so that they sync up with the UAD-1 delay. What that means is that, in the non-UAD tracks, if you notice they don't sync, you insert the Delay Compensation. What this does is delay those tracks to the same amount as if you were using a UAD-1 effect. I don't think it really affects latency, because if you are recording tracks, they will be in sync with the UAD delayed playback tracks, and everything lines up. I dont think you can use it as a real time plug in to process an incoming signal, although I haven't tried. Also, I've noticed in some applications, like Sonar, automatically delay compensate, so you don't need the plug in. I don't know if DP4 does that, but the delay compensator should word to sync up your VST and direct X effects.
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#511996 - 04/11/04 03:46 AM
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Jason Poff
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Cool. I don't expect it to deal with tracking latency, just the delay of too many plugins. I like to mult things alot and DP4 does not have the compensation. It seems like this will do what I want it to. Say I copy my drum overheads and slap an 1176 on one and squash it till it's nice and juicy. Then mix that with the unprocessed track. From what you're telling me, the compensating plug on the unprocessed track will line it up perfectly with the processed track. Beautiful. By the way, do you normally find yourself putting the compensation plug on every track that isn't using a UAD-1 plug? I'm just trying to get a handle on the workflow as I won't be able to try it before buying. I assume that you would, but want to hear it from a hands on user's perspective.
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Jason
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#511997 - 04/11/04 10:22 AM
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Neil Wilkes
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Never used DP, as I'm a Nuendo man myself, but when Nuendo was younger & did not have full PDC, then using the UAD delay compensator worked absolutely perfectly.
Also, on the CD when you buy the card, are some sample projects using the Delay Compensator to really explain the theory & usage in simple terms.
For the lowdown on UAD, visit http://www.chrismilne.com/uadforums where you will find all the answers you need.
Enjoy - the UAD is a top buy.
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#511998 - 04/11/04 01:04 PM
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Jason Poff
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That is exactly what I needed to hear. Thanks a bunch.
Jason
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#511999 - 04/11/04 02:10 PM
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mhimes11
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Jason,
I had the UAD-1 last year w/ DP3 and negotiating the delay offsets with complicated mixes is a nightmare- I sold it. It is very easy to lose track of what is delayed and what isn't, especially when you are bussing signals here and there and ganging multiple UAD plugs on different track groups. It felt like math homework and pulled you out of the music.
I love the plug-ins, but IMHO the UAD-1/DP marriage is not a productive one.
Hope this helps,
Mike
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#512000 - 04/11/04 04:56 PM
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henryrobinett
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I use UAD with DP with not too much hassle. You just have to remember or have a system for doing things. I figure the plugs are worth it for me. But then again I don't load projects with a ton of UAD plugs. Four or five at the most ever.
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#512001 - 04/11/04 07:31 PM
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Jason Poff
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Just to clarify, is it not as simple as adding a compensating plug to all the tracks which aren't using the uad plugins? That's how I thought it worked. How much more complicated is it?
Jason
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#512002 - 04/11/04 07:43 PM
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henryrobinett
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Originally posted by Jason Poff:
Just to clarify, is it not as simple as adding a compensating plug to all the tracks which aren't using the uad plugins? That's how I thought it worked. How much more complicated is it?
Jason
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#512003 - 04/11/04 10:15 PM
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Jason Poff
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Cool. Thanks man. I really want to stay with performer simply because I'm lightning quick with it, and don't want to have to learn another program if I can get this one to do what I need it to do.
Jason
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#512004 - 04/12/04 01:25 PM
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The main difficulty is when you buss things around and bounce things. If you bounce a track that has UAD effects, it will be delayed when you bring it back into the mix. You just have to remember that . . . and with complicated mixes of 16 tracks or more with several sub groups it just gets complicated. It can be managed- I'm not saying it can't. It just pulled me out of the music too much and my lack of productivity in hunting down delay discrepancies out-weighed the great sound of the plugs.
Oh . . . and it tanked the 2nd processor in OS9. I don't think it has been addressed in OSX either. If you have a dual machine, look into this.
Hey, give it shot. I did. It may work for you. You will have no problem reselling it if it doesn't.
Mike
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