#511350 - 03/28/04 02:13 PM
DAW analog summing mixer
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fuoriporta
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what about different analog summing mixers to use with protools? did you test something?
GML
manley
dangerous
commander
folcrom
what's the best for money? what about passive models like folcrom?
i'm planning to sell my new control|24 to buy one of these with mackie hui as remote for PT.
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#511351 - 03/28/04 02:43 PM
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el biciclista
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I did not do any comparative testing; I relied on trusted advice in making a choice. I went with a pair of linked Folcroms, and I am extremely pleased with the result. There is some discussion here, if you haven't seen it:
http://gearslutz.com/board/showthread.php3?s=&threadid=11697
A big plus to me, compared to the Dangerous 2 Bus, is that the Folcrom does not have the preamp built in; that's why it is so much less expensive. Thus, I have the flexibility to choose the preamp I prefer for the mix. There is some discussion of this in the above link.
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#511353 - 03/29/04 05:16 AM
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I think the new MixDream from SPL is worth a thoght.
16x2 analog mixer with very high headroom.
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#511354 - 03/29/04 08:01 AM
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adebar
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Probably at the ProLight+Sound from coming Wednesday to Sunday in Frankfurt they will show it.
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#511355 - 03/29/04 01:27 PM
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Roger Foote
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I also am building them on a custom order basis. My design is somewhat more spartan and costs less. The 12 X 2 is $495.00 USD (Shipping extra)
Here is a picture link:
http://www.mixposse.com/attach/mixer_small.jpg
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#511356 - 03/29/04 07:51 PM
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Greg Lawrence
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Instead of using the Mackie HUI you should check out that new Digidesign Command Center. It is USB instead of MIDI so it should be a bit more responsive and less sluggish. I believe they just unveiled it with the ICON. The command center is supposed to also include some sort of monitoring center which the Mackie does not.
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#511357 - 03/30/04 11:51 AM
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fuoriporta
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thank you all. i'm planning now to buy a manley 16x2 line version or a GML. about the mackie hui, for sure should be better to buy a mackie control universal with big knob or stay with control 24. otherwise i'll loose some good buttons that others don't have...
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#511358 - 03/30/04 12:49 PM
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Would you really need a preamp to sum with when usilng the fulcrum? Aren't the signals all coming out of the DAW at line level to begin with? Or am I missing something?
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#511359 - 03/30/04 12:56 PM
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Loco
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Originally posted by fuoriporta:
thank you all. i'm planning now to buy a manley 16x2 line version or a GML.
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#511360 - 03/30/04 01:52 PM
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Tedly Nightshade
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Originally posted by hollywood:
Would you really need a preamp to sum with when usilng the fulcrum? Aren't the signals all coming out of the DAW at line level to begin with? Or am I missing something?
The Manley uses a mic pre type amp for make-up, so did the Neve approach. I've used a Manley Dual Mono for make-up gain with a custom mixer before.
I would consider the Fulcrom approach with a great tube mic pre as a real alternative to the Manley line mixer, not that I've used either.
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#511361 - 03/30/04 04:51 PM
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el biciclista
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The big advantage to getting a device without the preamp built-in is that you need a preamp anyway, for miking when you are recording. Then you can also use the preamp when mixing, rather than it just sitting idle. If you select a good quality preamp that will serve both purposes well, then you get the summing just for the cost of one or two Folcroms (depending on how many tracks/stems you want to sum). If you have several preamps for recording, so much the better.
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#511362 - 03/30/04 06:09 PM
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Nathan_Eldred
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The preamp used for the active makeup gain on the Folcrom is very important to the tone. The Folcrom is a blank slate sonically speaking. It's basically a series of high quality resistors, and it has little or no "sound" of their own. So if you use a Neve on the output, that's what it sounds like.
My suggestion is to use a preamp that has a wide, very open sound with only a hint of color. I've stated that I won't say in public what my preferences are, but to reiterate, it isn't anything that is traditionally desired from a company that ever made a 'vintage' console.
If you want something that can sound like anything at all (from clean to dirty or a perfect in between place), and the quality difference rides only on the preamp used then the Folcrom should be seriously considered IMO.
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