#511153 - 03/24/04 08:28 PM
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Robman2
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I have a few associates who are just keen on pirated software from the vast anals' of the cyber geeks.
What's your opinion?
I will buy my software, even if I have to wait to hoard up for it.
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Rob
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#511154 - 03/24/04 09:10 PM
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Phait
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I'd rather buy too.
But let's say "Program X" is no longer made and there is no derivative of it, and/or the company is gone too - and pirating is the only way?... maybe.
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#511155 - 03/25/04 12:26 PM
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axis
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I buy, and I refuse to work with people using cracked software and/or in studio´s who has it installed..;-)
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#511156 - 03/25/04 12:45 PM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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I wouldn't use cracked software anymore than I would download muisc. (and no, I don't do that, either.)
It's funny... back in the early 90s, it was common for a guy to share his software with people that he knew. It happened all the time, and the end result was that the users often bought the next upgrade. It was like a demo, and we always wanted the newer features that came with the next version. If we didn't buy the upgrade, it was usually because we didn't like and didn't use the software. We weren't trying to get something for nothing.
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#511157 - 03/25/04 01:46 PM
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Bonedog
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Before I was actually "using" a DAW I admit to checking out some different programs via the cracks on the web. Once I decided that I liked something and I was gonna switch to a DAW to do actual work (and make money off the stuff) I immediately bought my software of choice...Nuendo. Also on the plugin side I only have the included Steinberg plugs installed and I have a powercore on the way.
I didn't see a problem with checking out the software at home because if I didn't like it I wouldn't have bought it anyway, so it's not like the company lost a potential sale. I didn't make as much as 1 cent from the cracked versions that I was checking out.
Scott
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#511158 - 03/25/04 02:03 PM
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C_F_H_13
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When I first started using protools, a friend of mine gave me cracked versions of all the major plugins. I was cool to learn how to use vital stuff like autotune and soundreplacer without having to shell out cash that I didn't have. However, I never made any money off of that stuff.
Now that i've upgraded my rig, and am making money, I've switched to protools 6 and have bought alot of plugins. I now run a system completely free of cracked anything. I feel that cracked versions as a learning tool are cool, but if you are making money off of using them,....BUY IT!
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#511159 - 03/26/04 04:26 PM
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FormerOceanwaySlave
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. . .the vast anals' of the cyber geeks.
annals. There are limits to my tolerance for language abuse.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
P.S. What were you thinking with the apostrophe? ;-}
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#511160 - 03/27/04 04:34 AM
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crush
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omg, funniest response i've seen in a while.
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#511161 - 04/05/04 07:25 AM
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adebar
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Using cracked versions is using stolen versions. Maybe that´s the reason why T.C.electronics stops to continue developing software like Spark.
There will always be people who prefer to use stolen software - as long as it is easy to do. So the only thing manufacturers can do is finding better copy protection systems which allows them to continue developing and releasing softwore.
At the ProLight & Sound (Musikmesse) in Frankfurt I spoke to Quantec if they could imagine to release a software version of their great Yardstick room processor. With a smile they said yes, if their where a solution for a real copy protection …
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#511162 - 04/05/04 12:22 PM
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TinderArts
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What do you think of using a cracked version if you own the full version as well? Sometimes, with the copy protection removed, the cracked version works a bit better.
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#511163 - 04/05/04 12:47 PM
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adebar
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I don´t know.
Why should a cracked version work better?
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#511164 - 04/05/04 12:53 PM
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Originally posted by axis:
I buy, and I refuse to work with people using cracked software and/or in studio´s who has it installed..;-)
Kind regards
Peter
I've seen more cracks at pro sesssions than you can shake a stick at.
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#511165 - 04/05/04 03:24 PM
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Matt.Hepworth
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Originally posted by TinderArts:
What do you think of using a cracked version if you own the full version as well? Sometimes, with the copy protection removed, the cracked version works a bit better.
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#511166 - 04/05/04 03:32 PM
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alan scobie
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Hi Guys,
I am with Henchman on this bigtime....in fact he beat me to it!!
I have been into many computers at sessions and found almost every plug in/instrument you can think of and some you haven't.
Working with one notable and VERY well known producer on a session I wowed at his plug in folder "You can have them if you like, I have them all on a couple of DVD's. I'll bring them tomorrow"  He replied!!
How do you police this policy Axis??
Cheers
Alan.
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#511167 - 04/05/04 03:42 PM
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alan scobie
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Hi Again,
I should add that I buy all my plugs as my bank account and Native Instruments will testify!!
When things like The Ni B4 organ came out, I nearly passed out with excitement when I heard it. My immediate thought was it will be a fortune for that and way beyond my budget.....but £100 for all that development and that quality of sound.....why not buy? It will pay for itself the first session you use it on.
Add to this the fact that my studio is my living and I am owner/operator therefor need the support that registered copies allows.
When I bought the Bosendorfer Virtual instrument I struggled to get it running well and developed an email relationship with the guy who designed it (Michiel Post) He had it running a dream with diagnosis that I would never stumble across if I had been using cracks.
Cheers
Alan.
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#511168 - 04/05/04 06:20 PM
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Neil Wilkes
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Why should people who steal their software be allowed to get away with it?
I shudder to think of the jobs we have lost to a***holes who undercut what we charge, as they have never bought a piece of software in their lives, and have the cheek to turn round & say "I only do it as I'm poor & cannot afford the real copies, and I need to learn on the real thing because I'm talented".
I may be a talented race driver, but that does not give me the right to boost a Ferrari on the grounds I'm broke.
Then these same people have the nerve to complain about "bugs" or "missing features" on the forums!
I'm waiting for the glut of badly authored DVDA discs that the inevitable cracked versions of WaveLab 5 are going to produce. And it will be genuine users who suffer, as usual, by being undercut & put out of business by these ***ts.
If you cannot afford it, then don't use it.
Sorry about the rant, but it really gets right up my nose.
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#511169 - 04/05/04 07:20 PM
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Saint Johnny B
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No cracked software. Period!
It's wrong.
It hurts the little developers tryin to eek out a living for their families.
It's theft. It can get you in legal trouble.
Nuf said.
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#511170 - 04/06/04 02:58 PM
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ptuzer
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I know I would be not happy if someone broke into my studio and started using all my gear for free. Or if I was a songwriter if someone stole my song and made money off it.
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#511171 - 04/06/04 03:30 PM
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alec6
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Well, just to add water to Tinder's mill, I bought a soft with a USB key (German company, not Mac-only, chaps with RME, you know who). It has been a nightmare. For the sake of curiosity, I checked the cracked version. It works just fine. As I DON'T WANT to use cracked soft, I uninstalled it. As somebody having paid for the soft, my question to them and other dongle-based soft sellers is : why do I have to suffer from a counter-piracy measure if it proves itself useless? Your soft gets cracked, it seems that the cracked version works better. So the thief using it gets all the benefit and I, the sheepish buyer, get all the downside. Cool huh? Why can't they use other protection devices, like a kind of activation, alla Microsoft Windows XP for instance?
Sorry for ranting.
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#511172 - 04/06/04 03:47 PM
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PookyNMR
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No cracks here. Stealing is stealing.
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#511173 - 04/06/04 07:54 PM
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Mats Olsson.
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No cracks. Everything I use in my profession is legit.
About those low-lifes that use cracks and charge money for their jobs, undercutting what legit users must charge to make ends meet: I would not hesitate to report them to BSA or similar.
Much thanks to crack-users, TC Spark is no longer being developed. Thanks! (not).
/Mats
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#511174 - 04/06/04 08:00 PM
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philbo_Tangent
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Alan,
I think the original quote was better.
Originally posted by FormerOceanwaySlave: . . .the vast anals' of the cyber geeks.
annals. There are limits to my tolerance for language abuse.
Cheers,
Alan Tomlinson
P.S. What were you thinking with the apostrophe? ;-}
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#511175 - 04/07/04 10:07 AM
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Neil Wilkes
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Originally posted by Mats Olsson.:
No cracks. Everything I use in my profession is legit.
About those low-lifes that use cracks and charge money for their jobs, undercutting what legit users must charge to make ends meet: I would not hesitate to report them to BSA or similar.
Much thanks to crack-users, TC Spark is no longer being developed. Thanks! (not).
Ditto Native bundle. A lot of good plugs & apps have disappeared to this.
Personally, the only CP I have a problem with are the ones that repeatedly demand to see the CD. It is time consuming. Apart from that, all is fine for me with Challenge/Response & dongle protection. As long as it is stable, then so be it.
To my mind, the only way to beat the piracy problem is to make everything hardware dependant. IE like PT does. It will mean the death of native only, unless the apps get tied to specific cards that are needed to run the software. I'm glad it's not me developing these days!
/Mats
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#511176 - 04/07/04 06:34 PM
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I didn't think cracks existed at the pro level! And they're more stable than the legit versions??? My Protools HD system has had a LOT of trouble with legit plugin authorization, dongle issues, etc...I would think cracks would be less stable but guess not.
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#511177 - 04/07/04 06:34 PM
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Vincepro
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I didn't think cracks existed at the pro level! And they're more stable than the legit versions??? My Protools HD system has had a LOT of trouble with legit plugin authorization, dongle issues, etc...I would think cracks would be less stable but guess not.
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#511178 - 04/08/04 11:03 AM
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Neil Wilkes
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sorry about last post - what I wrote got mixed up with the quote & looks like it was done by Mats Olsson.
The last 2 paragraphs were supposed to be outside the quote.
Sorry Mats.
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#511179 - 04/08/04 01:16 PM
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e=mc*(2/2)*c
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check this out.
where should I report this?
Just like the above, cracked softwares are clicks away. I admit pirated appz are tempting but I learned from my elementary school that I shouldn't use pirated stuff. But, I still like Johnny Depp from The Pirates of Caribbean. It's fun to see how the media can market some sort of immoral villains and get a lot of money. I mean, what's the difference between Robin Hood and crackers? I think I know the difference, but what should I tell children if they ask me that kind of question? Can a bad method be used for a good purpose? Can a good purpose be harmed by a bad method? I think I'm going completely OT...
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