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#509804 - 03/08/04 04:19 AM Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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It appears to me that Mix Magazine has brought the inherent hypocrisy of accepting advertising monies from the companies whose products one reviews to new heights. Mix is now using Digidesign specs to rebuff their own reviewer’s statements about another company’s product line – a product line designed to improve DAW performance in general. Confused?

Read my letter to Mix magazine which they have refused to print in its current form.

Dear Mix,

I read the in-depth review of the Dangerous product line in your October issue. Although I felt the review had an overabundance of technical information, it was well written, on point regarding the shortcomings of DAWs in general, and very clear on how the Dangerous product line can drastically improve such shortcomings. Had I never read another Mix article again in my life, I would have walked away with a positive image of your magazine.

Unfortunately, I read the December issue.

In the December issue, you managed to somehow “retract” your reviewer’s statements on DAWs, which were about as controversial as stating the sky is blue. You replaced these general statements with the technical specs of one particular manufacturer’s DAW. Given that, I found your “retractions” to be about as unbiased as Scott Peterson’s Mom.

Let’s evaluate these “retractions.”

You first “retracted” the following: “Digital mixing and summing inside your DAW to stereo outputs requires that you do not overload the internal digital mixing bus by lowering all the mixer faders.”

Your “retraction” begins: “According to Digidesign’s documentation….”

According to Digidesign’s documentation? The statement was made about DAWs in general -- not about a Digidesign product.

In the very next sentence of the original article, the reviewer states: “When any track fader's level is internally reduced, its digital resolution is also reduced.”

Your retraction begins: “Digidesign states that the mixer inside Pro Tools is….”

Again, where does the original statement discuss Digidesign or its product?

Perhaps the digital resolution is not reduced in all DAWs, but it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality. I suspect this was the intention of the reviewer’s statement and would have probably served as a more suitable “retraction” than citing Digidesign’s documentation.

Next the reviewer states: “Spreading out a mix over many stems and direct outputs lets you maintain hotter digital levels for higher resolution, resulting in a better-sounding mix with increased depth, image width and headroom, and less distortion.”

Your retraction starts: “In reality, the 2-Bus' distortion spec is….” and concludes: “…which means that passing the 192's output through the Dangerous 2-Bus increases the distortion….”

Once again, you relate the “retraction” specifically to Digidesign’s product. Even my Mom knows that spreading a mix out over stems will greatly increase the quality of audio from a DAW. However, in this “retraction,” you discard the overall truthfulness of the statement to focus on distortion specs. For this, I have two words. “Distortion, dismortion!” People pay enormous sums of money for consoles with far higher distortion levels than what is being “retracted” here.

All these “retractions” made me curious. So, I went back to look at the review. There is not one reference to Digidesign where any of these statements is concerned. The closest reference to a Digidesign product is some four paragraphs later that merely offers an example of how to hook up the Dangerous 2-Bus. Yet Mix prints a “retraction” to these statements, citing Digidesign documentation.

This begs two questions: Why do you have and where did you get the Digidesign documentation that you quoted? And more importantly, why are you printing what amounts to a Digidesign sales pitch in the guise of a “retraction?”

From what I understand, the Dangerous 2-Bus can be used to improve other systems such as Nuendo, Digital Performer, Paris, and Logic among others. Are you planning to print other DAW manufacturer- slanted “retractions” relating to these products soon?

Contrary to not-so-popular opinion, DAW does not stand for Digidesign’s Audio Workstation. So, may I suggest that the next time a reviewer makes a reasonable and self-evident statement about DAWs in general (that’s Digital Audio Workstation), you should consider foregoing “retractions” that reek of technical, hot-button, sales-pitch babble that directly benefits one of your major advertisers. It’s bad for your cred.

The bottom line is this. The Dangerous products are well designed, sound great, and can greatly improve the enjoyment of one’s DAW. And seeing as the only measuring device that I use is actually attached to the sides of my head, you’ll just have to take my word on that.

Mixerman

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#509805 - 03/08/04 04:42 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

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...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

...spreading a mix out over stems will greatly increase the quality of audio from a DAW...
This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree. Arguing that your opinion is truth does not make it any more than an opinion.

It is no wonder they did not print it. It comes across even more biased than the problems it points out.
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#509806 - 03/08/04 07:38 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I might be wrong Mr Powel,

But wether it's a known fact or an opinion is not really the issue here. The independence of Mix magazine seems to be the issue...

I still don't understand why they won't publish wich I think is a valid and reasonable question expressed in a perfectly mannered letter.

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#509807 - 03/08/04 09:43 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by malice:
I still don't understand why they won't publish wich I think is a valid and reasonable question expressed in a perfectly mannered letter.
It does appear, on the surface, that Mixerman has acquired some manners. But, to the trained editorial eye, the trickery appears

In reality there is a hidden message there that would be disseminated among all
MIX readers were they to print it. You see, if you read it backwards and upside down, it says "I killed Digidesign, I killed Digidesign. Alsiha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Dave LeBolt is not your friend."

I suspect that Mix was able to deciper Mixerman's hidden meaning and therefore is reticant to commit it to their pages.
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#509808 - 03/08/04 10:52 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by Uh Clem:
I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

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...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree.

really? Isn't it just a matter of simple math?
Lynn Fuston? Anyone?
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#509809 - 03/08/04 11:49 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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<<...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...>>

I'm not an expert on this particular subject, okay? But my understanding is that TECHNICALLY speaking, this is a true statement, because you are using fewer bits as you bring the fader down. But PRACTICALLY speaking, in SOME DAWs (in particular, Digi has published a lot of documentation on resolution within their system), the loss of bits has no audible difference because you still have more resolution than the converters can handle anyway.

Having said that, though, there are a lot of audio phenomena that aren't really quantified. I remember when Eric Johnson became a laughingstock for his contention in a Guitar Player interview that alkaline batteries sounded different than carbon-zinc in some of his effects. But y'know, they have very different internal impedances; and in devices that don't have good power supply rejection, it CAN affect the sound. Who'd a thought it?
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#509810 - 03/08/04 12:34 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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A quick seque (since you used it as an example)...

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Originally posted by Anderton:
...alkaline batteries sounded different than carbon-zinc in some of his effects. But y'know, they have very different internal impedances; and in devices that don't have good power supply rejection, it CAN affect the sound.
OK...so, which are better...or which did Johnson prefer (and why)...alkaline or carbon-sinc?
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#509811 - 03/08/04 12:55 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Quote:
Originally posted by edmann:
Quote:
Originally posted by Uh Clem:
I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

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...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree.

really? Isn't it just a matter of simple math?
Lynn Fuston? Anyone?
I guess it comes down to fixed vs. floating point?
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#509812 - 03/08/04 12:58 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I don't find the Mix repsonse surprising. The D2B is targeting a pro customer. Most pro DAW users are using ProTools, therefore a ProTools response is probably valuable to a large part of their subscriber base.

I read literature on the D2B site - many of us read it - that originally was very suspect and misleading. I think maybe it has been updated due to complaints.

Since both Digi and Dangerous have been prone to marketize the math and physics (if it were that simple it wouldn't be the opportunity for FUD and snakeoil that it is), it is probably fair to Mix subscribers to present both views.

Mixerman has a known anti-ProTools agenda, big news I know, and that is mostly what I see reflected in the letter.

For example, he could have asked the questions he did without making the loading/baised/unsubstantiated assertions that I called into question.

I'm sure the editors at Mix are hip to what he's up to as much as anyone else is. I have not followed his crusade for quite a while and am surprised it is still alive - I thought it would be played by now.

Did anyone ever get a copy of those session files with the rolled off bass from that transfer into digi that he did? Lynn, did you ever get a copy like you were trying to? I would guess no.

And no, I'm no ProTools fanatic - I have about $500 tied up in Digi's bits - I'm just an anti-fanatic fanatic.
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#509813 - 03/08/04 12:58 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I don't think that there's a question that they (can) sound different. I think it's debatable which sounds better, and even though many prefer the sound of mixing through a Dangerous box, the point is that if it does sound better to those people, it may not be for the reasons that were cited in the review.

I read the review and the retraction, though (several months back, and this has already been discussed here, hasn't it?), but I didn't realize until I read Mixerman's post (on about every forum I checked out this morning) that Digidesign wasn't named in the article.

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#509814 - 03/08/04 01:12 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by malice:
I might be wrong Mr Powel,

The independence of Mix magazine seems to be the issue...

malice
Independence is a nice idea, but I don't see it cross over from there into reality that often - especially when money is involved.
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#509815 - 03/08/04 02:01 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Quote:
Originally posted by Uh Clem:
I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

Quote:

...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

...spreading a mix out over stems will greatly increase the quality of audio from a DAW...
This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree. Arguing that your opinion is truth does not make it any more than an opinion.

It is no wonder they did not print it. It comes across even more biased than the problems it points out.
It has been well established that the earth is round, yet there are entire communities of supposedly sane people that would dispute this fact.

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#509816 - 03/08/04 02:13 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Quote:
Originally posted by Mixerman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Uh Clem:
I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

Quote:

...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

...spreading a mix out over stems will greatly increase the quality of audio from a DAW...
This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree. Arguing that your opinion is truth does not make it any more than an opinion.

It is no wonder they did not print it. It comes across even more biased than the problems it points out.
It has been well established that the earth is round, yet there are entire communities of supposedly sane people that would dispute this fact.

Mixerman
Mr. Mixer', you have some very sound points to make in your letter. But "even my Mom knows" and all that does distract from the salient point you are trying to make. Sometimes being ruthless involves a certain restraint... until you are in a position to make a certain kill.

and certainly that whole retraction bit stinks, and somebody ought to say something about it. It would be a credit to Mix to retract their retraction! That would mean more than publishing this letter.
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#509817 - 03/08/04 02:38 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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OK...so, which are better...or which did Johnson prefer (and why)...alkaline or carbon-sinc?
He uses Duracell alkaline in most of his boxes, which incidentally is what I use... not because he said he uses them, but because I hear a difference also. And it is NOT hard to hear a difference betweeen battery types actually, especially once the batteries have had an hour or two of use. Most people who pooh-pooh the idea just haven't tried it, and in fact Johnson got so sick of people giving him shit about obsessing over batteries that he started setting up tests for other people. He'd put different kinds of batteries in the same box and let people compare for themselves. And they always heard a difference. As a result a couple of companies (I think DanElectro is one) have started making batteries specifically for guitar effects. I haven't tried any of them yet cuz I've been happy with the Duracells, but will probably try them one of these days.

The best bet is to try different batteries in EACH of your pedals because different pedals will sound better with different batteries.
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#509818 - 03/08/04 03:03 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by Mixerman:
Quote:
Originally posted by Uh Clem:
I'm not sure the following are universally agreed on:

Quote:

...it has been well established within the recording community that internally reducing a track fader will greatly reduce its audio quality...

...spreading a mix out over stems will greatly increase the quality of audio from a DAW...
This is what you think is true but there are those who disagree. Arguing that your opinion is truth does not make it any more than an opinion.

It is no wonder they did not print it. It comes across even more biased than the problems it points out.
It has been well established that the earth is round, yet there are entire communities of supposedly sane people that would dispute this fact.

Mixerman
Well, I could not have made my point any better, thank you. ;\)
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#509819 - 03/08/04 03:18 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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This is why I don't read magazines like Mix anymore. they're just glorified pamflets for gear. You never read a review that basicaly says "this is a piece of shit".
I can pick up video game mags that with slam games on a regular basis. Same goes for computer mags. if a given MOBO or Processor or videocard is garbage, they'll say so.

And I remember reading that article, and was flabbergasted. Digi obviously threatened to withdraw their advertising dollars, as well as get all their third party developers to do the same, and Mix chickened out.
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#509820 - 03/08/04 03:25 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by Lee Flier:
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OK...so, which are better...or which did Johnson prefer (and why)...alkaline or carbon-sinc?
He uses Duracell alkaline in most of his boxes, which incidentally is what I use... not because he said he uses them, but because I hear a difference also. And it is NOT hard to hear a difference betweeen battery types actually, especially once the batteries have had an hour or two of use. Most people who pooh-pooh the idea just haven't tried it, and in fact Johnson got so sick of people giving him shit about obsessing over batteries that he started setting up tests for other people. He'd put different kinds of batteries in the same box and let people compare for themselves. And they always heard a difference. As a result a couple of companies (I think DanElectro is one) have started making batteries specifically for guitar effects. I haven't tried any of them yet cuz I've been happy with the Duracells, but will probably try them one of these days.

The best bet is to try different batteries in EACH of your pedals because different pedals will sound better with different batteries.
I always thought I could hear a difference and preferred the Energizers - not to argue which is best - never knew there was a big debate. Choice is best I reckon - Coke , no Pepsi - but I do agree if you play guitar every day thru them, you'll probably find your preference. In general, I'd rather not have batteries of any sort. Which I prefer is a fact, why I prefer it is my opinion.

And as for preference, you may prefer your earth flat or round (which incidentally are not mutually exclusive) - but the Earth will be what it will be regardless, unless you are confusing again fact with opinion. In my opinion, spherical is a better description of the Earth's shape - although some may say, round, warm, punchy, rich, and creamy.
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#509821 - 03/08/04 03:43 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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A far as batteries go, there is a big differnce. I know there are issues using wirelss mic's if you don't use good batteries. because they can't deliver enough power, and the signal is degraded. insome instances, I have had location recordings come in that had static on them, and this was due to not using proper (good) batteries.
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#509822 - 03/08/04 03:49 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I always thought I could hear a difference and preferred the Energizers - not to argue which is best - never knew there was a big debate.
There really isn't, that I know of... I have my preferences and I reckon anyone who compares will have theirs. There's no big debate over which batteries are best - that's a matter of taste. The only "debate" was whether someone is being silly for thinking different batteries sound different. Anyone who has tried it knows it isn't silly.
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#509823 - 03/08/04 04:52 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Did anyone ever get a copy of those session files with the rolled off bass from that transfer into digi that he did? Lynn, did you ever get a copy like you were trying to? I would guess no.

And no, I'm no ProTools fanatic - I have about $500 tied up in Digi's bits - I'm just an anti-fanatic fanatic.
or do you mean you're insanely obsessed with MM's resistance to the distilling of the Pro tools medium into the professional communities workflow no matter HOW BAD it actually sounds?

news flash... there is no all in one solution for the best. MOA, Mix, and anyone else who disagree's is in denial. can it be done? of course. Will it be better if you mix on a good console? I do think so. and thats from experience.

is it subjective and an opinion? of course. But coming out of a single interface into my board at unity has improved my mixes (from what I can tell). I would be willing to bet just about anything is better than the mix bus on the pro Tools 24 system i have. maybe HTDM is better. doubt it. I dont think the softwares mix bus was improved in version 6. so...... I can only assume it's gonna improve it.

but that's neither here nor there....

MM raised a legitimate concern about the editorial content and the advertising departments conflict of interest here.

are they biased or not?

i think so.

someones licking MOA's balls here and it's about $$$$. how many references to Pro Tools makes it into any one edition of Mix? 10, 20, 50?

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#509824 - 03/08/04 10:45 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Oh, the drama. The obsession. The voices in the Digi mix bus.

If Dangerous has a right to exaggerate their claims IRT the "flaws" in ANY digital mix bus, then Digidesign (which happens to be in that business by the way) should have the right to refute those claims with science, no?

How is it that Mix Magazine is somehow "pure" as long as they publish the claims of Dangerous, then suddenly a "sell-out" because they publish Digi's claims? Isn't democracy all about giving everyone a voice, and leaving it to the community to dissect and decide what's what?

I'm not clear on what exactly it is Mixerman is taking issue with here.

As far as the D2B goes, Bob Katz commented on this recently:
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I'd like to slightly change the topic to a generic discussion of the "Dangerous 2-bus" as an idea and as a reality.

First of all, this term "bit-cancelling" is some marketing person's idea of having a good time at the expense of knowledge.

The Dangerous 2-Bus is, very simply, an analog console without the faders and knobs!

PLEASE... let's not get into some claim that "Digital Summing" is bad and "analog summing" is good. It's not the summer, it's all the other stuff to worry about....

If you were considering an analog mix in the first place, then the Dangerous may very well provide a more purist analog signal path and more transparent summing than the typical multi-opamp SSL. (I always find SSLs sound murky, 9000J included but better than most of 'em).

But will the Dangerous EVER sound as transparent as a simple digital mix (with no plugins)? NO WAY! IMPOSSIBLE. The minimalist signal path always wins, and any decent digital engineer can build a PERFECT SUMMER---There will be no "bit cancellation" or any other nonsense in PERFECT SUMMER, that is, a simple, unity-gain digital only mix which has no plugins, or processing. It will sound pure, transparent, and have 100% complete channel separation. In contrast, the Dangerous can NEVER compete, because of the losses of D/A/D conversion (jitter, noise, distortion) and intervening analog circuitry (noise, distortion, loss of stereo separation).

Supposedly, the Dangerous is a substitute for something which their marketing speak calls "bad" in Pro Tools. And to hang a marketing hat on it, they blame the "summing bus" and "bit cancelling". NONSENSE!

If well implemented, a digital summing bus can be absolutely numerically perfect, no losses of any kind, PERIOD.

On the other hand, when WOULD the Dangerous 2-bus become useful, or potentially a better tool than a digital mix? For completely different reasons than what they are pointing to, the Dangerous COULD help. Compared with, for example, an analog mix with a cheap analog console, or even an SSL, with its myriad opamps between source and output (SSLs always sound mirky to me).

Or, compared with a digital mix that has lots of low-resolution plugins and effects as opposed to their analog equivalents. Note that I said "low resolution", for there are high resolution plugins that can give analog gear a run for its money.

To summarize, the Dangerous 2-bus could provide a pristine, short signal path summing section to allow you to do an analog mix with analog EQs, analog compressors, and the rest. And it may prove that (like ANY good analog mix) could sound subjectively "better" (not necessarily more "transparent", but BETTER) than a digital mix with lots of low-res plugins. These digital processes, while they do not have this mysterious misnomer called "bit cancellation", do contribute their own sort of quantization distortion, which can accumulate and cause harshness and coldness. You won't find that sort of distortion in an analog-only mixdown, through any analog console, including the Dangerous.

It's the same battle with a new and ERRONEOUS marketing gimmick. They're trying to sell you a bill of goods telling you that ANY digital mix is bad, which is completely wrong. In reality, your digital mixer is probably just fine (if it meets certain standards)---and when you get into potential trouble is when you start trying to equalize digitally, compress digitally, and the rest, THAT's where the breakdown MAY start to occur. And frankly, that judgment of improvement is TOTALLY subjective, not objective like the marketers of the Dangerous are trying to say.

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...All of which makes perfect sense to me. Then again, Bob Katz is a respected mastering engineer.

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#509825 - 03/08/04 11:57 PM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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I'm just an anti-fanatic fanatic.
This? From the guy who wrote this?

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I dreamed last night that I was in a small wooden floored bar with a 9pm crowd and Lyle Lovett was performing...George was doing the sound...During the break George was really nice and shook my hand - acted almost like we'd met a few times in the past; kind of an, "Oh, hi, how ya doin'" vibe...What do you think it means?
Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?

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#509826 - 03/09/04 12:21 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by Studio Curve Dominant:
If Dangerous has a right to exaggerate their claims IRT the "flaws" in ANY digital mix bus, then Digidesign (which happens to be in that business by the way) should have the right to refute those claims with science, no?

I think the issue is that they printed a review, and then later basically refuted everything said in the review by quoting digi sales pamphlets, when digi wasn't even mentioned in the original article.

If you can't see the problem with that, then you also believe there are WMD's in Iraqe.
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#509827 - 03/09/04 12:53 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Very good post from Bob, quoted by the Curve.
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#509828 - 03/09/04 01:03 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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hey where was bob's post from?
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#509829 - 03/09/04 01:53 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Hey, wait just a minute. Isn't mixerman the genius that said the Pro Tools HD interfaces were down 6 dB at 50 Hz? Besides, he never finished his [highly entertaining] "The Chocolate Muffin Chronicles". What Gives!!???!???!
P.S., I am donning my fire retardant suit as I hit 'Add Reply'.

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#509830 - 03/09/04 02:11 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by Ted Nightshade:
Very good post from Bob, quoted by the Curve.
Too bad that I believe as much in Bob as I believe in Craig. In the last 3 moths Mix magazine went from "somewhat useful" status to "Junk Mail" bit. First they kicked out the best (should I say only good?) column out along with his forum (George's is still the best forum), and then they came out with that bunch of marketing crap "rectifying" their D2B statement. Their credibility is about to get as good as Bush's, Clinton's or any 4-year-old president speech.

What's next? Another correction when they announce their new Mixer next month? What are they gonna say? That SSL Boards sound mirky compared to Digi's because of their OpAmps? Oh! Wait! That was the voice of endorsement speaking already.

And don't get me started about Jitter... just listen to Digi's 192 converters. they are good as long as you stay on the digital domain.

P.S. Have you noticed they are giving away the Control|24 when you trade in almost any control surface or digital mixer? Don't say I didn't warned you.

P.S.#2 If I don't like it, I don't endorse it. Don't insist.
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#509831 - 03/09/04 02:24 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Originally posted by maarvold:
Hey, wait just a minute. Isn't mixerman the genius that said the Pro Tools HD interfaces were down 6 dB at 50 Hz? Besides, he never finished his [highly entertaining] "The Chocolate Muffin Chronicles". What Gives!!???!???!
P.S., I am donning my fire retardant suit as I hit 'Add Reply'.
That is all completely irrelevant.
The fact remains that Mix has Digi's cock firmly in their mouth.
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#509832 - 03/09/04 02:41 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Too bad that I believe as much in Bob as I believe in Craig. In the last 3 moths Mix magazine went from "somewhat useful" status to "Junk Mail" bit. First they kicked out the best (should I say only good?) column out along with his forum (George's is still the best forum), and then they came out with that bunch of marketing crap "rectifying" their D2B statement.
Are you thinking of EQ magazine?

And what does Bob have to do with it?

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#509833 - 03/09/04 02:45 AM Re: Favorable reviews got you down? Read Mixerman's letter to Mix magazine
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Let he (or she) who is without conflict of interest cast the first stone.
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