#434316 - 04/05/00 11:47 AM
Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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ketone
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Hi there cool people.
I want to buy a 32/8 Analog desk for my studio.
I use a heap of analog modeling type synthesisers/samplers and a sequencer to make Drum&Bass ,some House/Trance etc.
Obviously there will be no multitracking going on here.
I have been researching the Mackie 32/8 ,the desk looks nice ,but the EQ section seems to be insufficient for what I want to do ,and I cant afford 5 outboard EQ boxes.Also the Mackie sounds to clean and transparent to me , with little sound character.
I have turned my attention now to the Allen&Heath GS3000 32/8.This desk sounds great and the 2 EQ bands of fully parametric mids will be perfect for my needs-Shame the Low/Hi Shelf EQ is fixed Freq :-(
After reading some more in the downloadable user manual ,I noticed the Channel Inserts are Pre EQ.This makes little sense to me ,as it suggests that my bass sounds will not be compressed with my radical EQ.The Drum&Bass music im into ,often demands very heavy use of EQ and Compression.I guess this configuration will be fine for gating ,but realistically my sequencer is way more versatile for gating than any outboard gate.
So now im kinda confused ,do I have to find a desk that has Post EQ Channel inserts??? Is there such thing? If so what are the choices? Bare in mind I don't want to pay much more that the Allen&Heath costs.
Perhaps there are some other routing possiblilities that im unaware of??.I was thinking ,maybey I could route the ,eg Bass channels to one of the 8 groups and patch the compressor/s into the group inserts.Would this routing configuation allow me to compress my basses with the EQ I have used in the source channel/s?? If so how do I do this exactly? Is it possible to have 2 different channels of bass with different EQ settings to be routed to say, Groups 1-2 and have bass 1 in the group 1 an bass 2 in the group 2?? The groups seem to be marked 1-2 suggesting they get changed into stereo.Does this mean I have to send 2 channels to them an they be made into stereo?? Or can they act as 2 individual channels panned center in these group 1-2???I ask this because in the channel stripo there are not 8 individual group buttons,they are all linked 1-2,3-4,5-6 etc.
Maybey I just Pan Bass 1 to the Left ,Bass 2 to the right in the channel strips then assign to groups 1-2 ??Maybey this will make each bass in each individual group?
I hope I am making some sense to u proffesionals :=)
I think this is all that is confusing me for now,perhaps when I can't work out how Mix B actually works I ask more questions.
Sorry if I bother or bore anyone here.
Kind Regards
ketone
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#434317 - 04/05/00 02:29 PM
Re: Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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jfinevog
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hI have you looked at the sound craft stuff? the eq is great and the pre's are great as well plus you can add automation. jonathan
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#434318 - 04/05/00 03:44 PM
Re: Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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c.cash
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Hey there... every board I've ever seen/used has inserts pre everything. I think what you're looking for is direct outs. i.e. Channel 1 direct out is just an output of that channel. Depending on the board, it may be post-eq and fader. But then the audio is on its way to somewhere? A track usually. Or you could route it back into the board on another channel (go line-in).
You're correct about bussing. Press the 1-2 button. Now if you pan L, it goes to bus 1; R for 2, center for both. You could certainly insert a compressor on a bus, and it would be post eq and fader from the channel.
Hope this helped (I used to be hazy about busses too).
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#434319 - 04/06/00 08:45 AM
Re: Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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ketone
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c.cash
Hey man ,
thanks for yo response.To answer your question first.
Quote > "Depending on the board, it may be post-eq and fader. But then the audio is on its way to somewhere?"
The audio will be sent to the Master fader then straight to Dat.I will be mixing down tracks then once the mix is hot ill hit record on the dat, play on my sequencer and there is my almost finished product.
Anyone know a good 2 channel/stereo linkable Valve compressor that has a hard knee circuit design?I was lookin at the Drawmer 1960 Valve Compressor but it is a soft knee design that would not be aggressive for what i want.Later when I get a Valve mic will i look at a soft knee like the Drawmer.
Excellent-thank u everyone inadvance for your comments.
Regards
ketone
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#434320 - 04/06/00 06:19 PM
Re: Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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Dembones_dup1
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Hi Ketone,
I bought the GS3000 about a month ago and I LOVE it! As for your dilema, indeed you'll have to assign a channel to a bus to apply an insert postEQ. I think another poster suggested taking the direct out and merely sending it to another channel. That may be a little cleaner. I can't endorse the GS3000 enough... It sounds phenominal.
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Demian Norvell
AppleSeed Studios
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#434321 - 04/06/00 08:28 PM
Re: Advice on Analog Desk & Compression
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Pro Jules
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Drawmer acts slowly dull for heavy mix comp, TubTech snaps and is both bitching and creamy. Cla 2a, or like...
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