#433232 - 10/19/03 10:25 AM
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GREAT LAYOUT CONCEPT.
You won't believe me, but in my table there are many drawings of a dream console, and it's exaclty like this
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#433233 - 10/19/03 12:38 PM
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Fellas, wait until it ships, anyway. Until then, it's all what the salesmen are telling you.
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#433235 - 10/19/03 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by TROFF:
GREAT LAYOUT CONCEPT.
I think the design sucks completely. From the color design to the fact that it's a selfcontained unit, instead of separate box for I/O and CPU.
Furthermore the whole touchscreen idea that doesn't allow for working on more than a single, or maybe 2 channels at a time. And the fcat that touchscreens suck, IMO.
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#433236 - 10/20/03 11:57 AM
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I get this image of this board stting in a repair shop 2 years from now with the glass cracked and a lot of dust on it.
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#433237 - 10/20/03 12:20 PM
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We disscued this some time ago.... HERE.
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#433238 - 10/20/03 01:11 PM
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Originally posted by Henchman: Originally posted by TROFF:
GREAT LAYOUT CONCEPT.
Furthermore the whole touchscreen idea that doesn't allow for working on more than a single, or maybe 2 channels at a time. And the fcat that touchscreens suck, IMO.
In terms of only being able to work on a couple of channels at once, this is inherent in digital console design, and is almost the main reason to change to a digital console... smaller footprint, fewer physical controls. If you NEED 4,000 knobs in front of you, then you don't need a digital console. I work on XL-4s and like that, so I am used to lots of knobs that I don't turn, but in my studio, I want LESS, not more; and I want LESS to be of higher quality, and I want my space back. So I tried a digital console, but moved to a digital controller, which suits me better, has a smaller footprint, and only requires a power and a controller cable. I can lean back in my Areon with my feet on the desk and the controller in my lap and edit, if I want to.
It does ondeed look as if a baby brother half-sized console will come of this design if the original makes it to market and has any acceptance. Figure a $12,000 32 channel version, or something similar, with 1 screen and an even smaller footprint. If they do this, I hope that they put an optional video output for the second screen info, becauae even if it is not a touchscreen, it will be handy to have two screens of info, since pulling up most parameter editing windows blocks the majority of the channel info screen from view.
Still hate touch screens though. Cool looking, but an ergonomic nightmare for long editing sessions.
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#433239 - 10/20/03 01:27 PM
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agreed on hating touch screens. though, it's my impression that it will be possible to not use the touchscreen functions by taking advantage of the mouse capability. i'm interested to see how well this thing does. it's so big and so expensive, i wonder what kind of market there will really be for it. i know a lot of people are glad it's coming out just so they can nlook forward to a price drop on the d8b.
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#433240 - 10/20/03 01:33 PM
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You are right, you don't have to use the touch screens. There were aq lot of advantages to it as I recall from the demo, in terms of quickly accessing screens/windows. But once a window was open, I think that most or all of the functions were available via the knobs on the console.
Though a big deal in the demo was that he threw the mouse away and didn't show a keyboard (since there is a touchscreen keyboard), most of us are liable to keep both a keyboard and a mouse handy.
I use a Gyrations wireless, because it is the same size as my laptop keyboard and because you don't need a pad to use the mouse. About $100 at Staples, and they have been working well for me. I had trouble with one keyboard, and they replaced it.
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#433241 - 10/20/03 03:01 PM
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I don't want to mix with a screen or a mouse. i want knobs. I've just started mixing on a Euphonox 5 console, and it is amzing how much you can do at once when there are knobes to turn for every channel. Rotary digital encoders aren't that expensive either.
I don't thoink there was a single proffessional audio engineer involved with developing the DXB. and it shows.
It's made by and for techies that watch too much star trek.
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#433242 - 10/20/03 11:19 PM
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I don't know...Roland had their digital mixing system which had separate I/O and control surface boxes, and it tanked...there were other issues with the system as well, but it was a very flexible system but it scared a lot of people away. I think that a separate system scares away a good portion of the target audience for a mixer in this price range...
A good option, though, would be to offer an optional outboard I/O box like Sony does for the DMXR100. It's probably not too late for that...
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#433243 - 10/21/03 12:59 AM
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Originally posted by Duardo:
I don't know...Roland had their digital mixing system which had separate I/O and control surface boxes, and it tanked..
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#433244 - 10/21/03 03:11 AM
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The Mackie looks like a bridge station on NCC-1701-D...
"Mr. LaForge, I need that word clock back... NOW!"
"Captain, I can try diverting power from the plasma conduits to the metaphasic pulse generator, but we might lose a dB or two..."
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I want one.
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#433245 - 10/21/03 05:34 AM
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20 grand... for something so soon to be yesterday's news.
It looks cool and fun, and like the latest computer, it will be yesterday's news very soon.
That being said, I would like to try one for a few days, maybe a month...
I also applaud the designers of this, who boldly go where no sane person would ever go.
Engage warp drive.........
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#433246 - 10/21/03 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by waterstrum:
I also applaud the designers of this, who boldly go where no sane person would ever go.
Ever looked closer at what's been released in the last couple of years by Sony, DiGiCo & Soundtracs?
It was bound to happen eventually as TFT displays has become cheap.
Reminds me of knobless synths from the eighties, first impression is amazement but it soon leads to frustration because you can only do a few things simultaneously without jumping through endless menues.
And having it all inside one box is a really bad concept, especially when it is the centerpiece of a studio.
Power supply dies? Congratulations!
One display dies? Good luck!
Need to install a new motherboard? No can do without major downtime!
One of the greater benefits with digital consoles is that smarter (modular) design can be implemented at much lower costs than is possible with analog designs.
And honestly, how much do you really like touchscreens?
I will definitely check out the console when (if?) it becomes available, but the more I think of it, the more sceptical I get.
Whining aside, what I would have liked more?
* Remotely controlled input/output boxes to put in the studio (or for live use: at the stage) and inside FX racks.
* Control surface.
* A mainframe unit to which I/O boxes and the control surface are connected (through fiber or Gigabit Ethernet or similar currently available and affordable technology).
* External (reduntant) PSU, built with off-the-shelf parts.
There are some similar offerings available today (StageTech comes to mind) but they all cost a fortune, probably because of huge R&D costs and lots of special components.
A modular approach would also be easier to expand piece by piece.
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#433247 - 10/24/03 10:58 AM
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That Roland console you mentioned is getting REALLY cheap.
You can get one now for like $999 - it was originally $4K.
I'm actually pondering one.
There are a few console options if you want to have rackmount
I/O and DSP. Euphonix and Fairlight are but a couple. I know,
Fairlight's dead - but I think they're hibernating for now. Not trying
to start a Fairlight vs Neve debate or whatever. Just saying
that you can do good work on them.
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#433248 - 10/24/03 07:37 PM
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It's just a computer with fancy screens.
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#433249 - 10/25/03 12:43 PM
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Originally posted by Henchman:
I don't want to mix with a screen or a mouse. i want knobs. I've just started mixing on a Euphonox 5 console, and it is amzing how much you can do at once when there are knobes to turn for every channel. Rotary digital encoders aren't that expensive either.
The console manufacturers are moving towards useable live digital consoles at a wonderful pace, and the Digico seems to have finally gotten many of the bugs out of their rig, and may be the board to beat. Nice size, familiar layout, and easy to run. The PM-1D is also pretty easy to run, but takes a while to set up, so it is not as friendly to access, and you can't just walk up to it and start mixing. (Not getting rave reviews on the sound, though. Probably a converter issue.)
I've said it before.... I switched to the mouse, wanted a little more, so I picked up the Mackie Control. Knobs. Small footprint. Life is good. Might not work for everyone, but it works for me.
Bill
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#433250 - 10/27/03 04:45 AM
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Originally posted by film@fsc.edu:
Euphonix and Fairlight are but a couple. I know,
Fairlight's dead - but I think they're hibernating for now.
The new web address is
www. fairlightau.com
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