#433210 - 10/17/03 05:13 AM
Stop the vibrato!
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Holmes
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I’m looking for a software tool to reduce/remove vibrato from vocal tracks. I recently bought Melodyne 2.0 and it works great for removing the fluctuation in PITCH. But even after removing the pitch variation, what's left is a rapid AMPLITUDE variation that is still very noticeable. When this singer uses vibrato, she rapidly vibrates her pitch and volume together. During the higher pitch she increases her volume, during the lower pitch she decreases her volume. After I remove the pitch variation with Melodyne, what remains is a voice that sounds like it has a very fast tremolo effect (soft-loud-soft-loud-soft-loud ... ) !!! So I'm looking for something to flatten out the tremolo in her voice. I’ve tried several compressors, but it’s not giving me good results. I'm hoping somebody might have an idea that could help.
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#433211 - 10/17/03 10:46 AM
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miroslav
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I have to ask...
Why do you (and/or the singer) want to change that which is a natural part of her voice?
The only reason I can see is…to maybe create some sort of an effect….?
But, if that is her voice...then that is her voice.
If she wants to remove the vibrato, she should practice singing differently...that is the only way it will still sound natural.
OK...now that I got that off my chest... 
...no...I do not know of any plug-in that will do what you ask.
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#433212 - 10/17/03 02:18 PM
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Extreme Mixing
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I think you should encourage her to work with someone who likes the sound of her voice and respects her as an artist. You obviously don't . Why would you choose to eliminate her soul and personality from the songs? If these are her songs, your role is to capture HER best performance and then place it in the most flattering musical environment that you can.
If they are YOUR songs, you should find another singer who performs in a style that you love. With the right singer you will get back way more than you put in. With your approach, the best you can hope for is a performance that sounds like you cut and pasted syllables from the time lady at the phone company. "At the tone then time will be 11:47 and ten seconds..." Not very emotional and not art.
Even Brittany Spears gets to have a little personality on her records.
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#433213 - 10/19/03 07:30 AM
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Aaron Carey
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Man what planet are you guys living on. you jump down the guys throat without any of the details of the session. Day in and day out you can get rich kids with no clue whatsoever how to perform and it IS YOUR JOB to make them sound worth a crap. Maybe thats the scenario here. Sit back, relax and maybe the original poster will clear things up
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#433214 - 10/19/03 01:45 PM
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miroslav
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Aaron...chill.
No one is jumping down anyone's thoat.
We are just giving him the real answer.
Artificially removing vibrato from a human voice has nothing to do with making "them sound worth a crap"...and everything to do with taking something that is natural to THAT voice...and making it sound unnatural.
I did pose the question to the original poster asking why he wanted/needed to do this since he was not very clear about his reasons…
...so the best I can then do, is make assumptions about his reasons and intentions…
… and, he has not yet bothered to respond.
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It is NOT MY JOB to make "rich kids with no clue whatsoever how to perform"...
..."sound worth a crap".
But IT IS my duty to provide them with the truths and realities of recording (as best as I know them), and then maybe they will understand that if they want to sing better or different...it's best accomplished through training & practice...
...and not with a magic plug-in.
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#433215 - 10/19/03 04:44 PM
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Aaron Carey
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Miroslav you raise a good point. This IS one of those few areas where it is obvious to everyone that talent may be lacking. A band that flim flams all over their drums might or might not think it sounds good no matter how crappy. A rubber wristed guitarist that bends every chord out of tune still might feel it sounds good, as long as his friends say it sounds good.
But vocals!
There is a line that gets crossed where even the most tin eared pop punk emo weenie can hear that the vocals are bad. This might have to be the line in the sand.
Everyday tho I do have to deal with this new sort of vibrato style thats infected the tool/korn/poppunk styles. I cant explain it but if you heard it you know what Im talking about, like a stepped vibrato thing, like a bunch of guys with tattoos trying to sound like mariah carey's EARLY stuff. You just sit all day with auto tune and volume envelopes, as no matter what they can never get it after a 100 takes.
rant rant rant
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#433217 - 10/20/03 01:39 AM
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You know, a lot of people didn't like the way Bob Dylan or Tom Petty sounded when they sang. Lucky for us they didn't have someone taking the feel, emotion, and personality out of their voices, too. If you want your job to be the "wizard of Oz" guy behind the curtain who takes no talent bums and fools the public into thinking they are great, then that's cool.
I will tune vocals, change notes, fix timing, and anything else I can do to make better music. But I don't go in with the intent of changing their personality, or removing it from the recording. I just feel that that's wrong. If it's what you want to do, then be careful what you ask for because you might just get it. I'd rather cut meat in a butcher shop all day, myself.
Steve
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#433218 - 10/20/03 07:32 PM
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Your best bet might be a new perfomance. If you really think the vocals should be more steady and you have the time, invite the singer to resing the vocals with less vocals. Tell them you're looking for a more "pure" vocal approach and see what happens. Good singers can control the depth of the vibrato.
If not, you can AutoTune the hell out of it (think Cher's "Believe") and hope for the best. You could try a Waves L1 compressor to really mash down the resultant surges. You might also try creating a tuned track and then using it as a double under the original performance to average out the vibrato.
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#433219 - 10/20/03 07:34 PM
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JohnMerchant
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Whoops. "...resing the vocals with less vibrato."
Though resinging with less vocals would fix it too. :p
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#433220 - 10/21/03 03:00 PM
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Loco
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Originally posted by JohnMerchant:
Whoops. "...resing the vocals with less vibrato."
Though resinging with less vocals would fix it too. :p
Kill that vibrato! I'm with you! don't flatten it totally, though. Use melodyne for the pitch, and automate a heavy fast compressor for the aplitude thing. Just don't sqeeze the life out of it, though.
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