#432811 - 10/01/03 02:49 PM
MOTU 2408 vs. RME Digiface
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Dugan
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can someone please weigh in on the performance of the motu 2408's (mk2 and/or mk3) and the RME digiface systems in Windows 2000/XP?
I've been debating between these two boxes, and can't find any solid info on them. i'd rather be able to use the 2408 for its analog i/o and extra spdif out... but i'm a little nervous about motu's rep with windows, which isnt so good... also im not clear how much of an improvement the mk3 is over the mk2...
please help
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#432812 - 10/02/03 01:36 PM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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You should be able to find tons of solid info on both boxes.
I gave up my problematic 2408 for an RME 9652... the older model, which was not as flexinble in routing as the new HDSP 9652.
I moved to an HDSP Digiface, and I liked it so much that I bought an HDSP Multiface for the laptop. I've since had the Digiface in three different computers, and it installed with no hassle, and just keeps working.
Their Totalmix software is wonderful, and more powerful than it appears at first glance. It comes free with the HDSP models. It has allowed me to move to a console-less studio, using the included 26x28 software mixer instead.
I also chose RME for the wonderful customer support and the helpful newsgroup.
Over on the prorec site there is a fellow who has claimed to have fixed (or to have a fix for...) the phantom problems that some people have with the 2408 on a PC. Since I dumped my 2408, I haven't followed the thread.
As I have said elsewhere, the major manufacturers products, within a given price point, are all going to sound about the same. It gets down to features, support, responsiveness to problems. I don't think that you will go wrong with any of the major manufacturers. But I found RME to fill my requirements in orders of magnitude moreso than MOTU, given tht I had a major problem with my 2408 which they could not fix. I also did not find their support to be very supportive. It is important to note that others use the MOTU line on the PC with absolutely no problems whatsoever. Obviously, they could not be as popular as they are if they only produced junk.
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#432813 - 10/05/03 05:15 PM
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patrox247
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MOTU giving poor tech support? That's unheard of!
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#432814 - 10/06/03 06:18 AM
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arimaka
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They have techs at MOTU????
hahahaha
actually I run a 2408mk3 and it's rock solid. It is completely expandable (easier than RME in my opinion and more options).
The converters on it perform O.K. ... they kill the 001 converters i used to own...
I haven't heard many people comment the motu 192? I have never heard it but I am interested in it...
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#432815 - 10/06/03 01:31 PM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Originally posted by arimaka:
...expandable (easier than RME in my opinion and more options).
Easier? How?
I get the 'more options' part, because of the TDIF connector. Not exactly in high demand, and not a feature that I would pay for since I know that I will never use it. But a valid statement.
But how much easier can it be to 'expand' your I/O than to just plug in a new converter set to the ADAT/Lightpipe port? And that is how both units are 'expanadable', unless the 2408 Mk III has something different than my earlier unit had on it, or unless you are talking about something else? I'm not saying that one is better than the other in this respect, I'm trying to understand what you are saying.
Or are you talking about the PCI card? That is not a 2408, it is a seperate product, (PCI-421? something like that...) but yeah, I think that you can put three MOTUs in a single PCI interface card, while RME only accepts one, so you have to add additional PCI cards to expand past 24 channels with RME.
That would have bothered me in the old days when we needed every slot, but today most slots are vacant, so I am not so concerned. The other side of that is that RME offers a PCMCIA card, so you can move the whole rig to your laptop for remote recordings. (As a matter of practicality, I just bought a second rig for this work, but it -is- possisble.)
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#432816 - 10/06/03 09:11 PM
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How easy it it to hook up digital outboard gear to the RME stuff? Especially gear with stereo TOS optical ports? Will the RME ADAT ports accept the stereo TOS or do they only accept 8ch ADAT? I have 5 digital outboard boxes on my MOTU setup (using a 308) connected via TOS, SPDIF, and AES - how easy it that to do with RME?
Mostly the MOTU stuff works well for me, but I always am in fear of it beacuse of some of the flakey behavior it gets into.
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#432817 - 10/06/03 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by Uh Clem:
How easy it it to hook up digital outboard gear to the RME stuff? Especially gear with stereo TOS optical ports? Will the RME ADAT ports accept the stereo TOS or do they only accept 8ch ADAT? I have 5 digital outboard boxes on my MOTU setup (using a 308) connected via TOS, SPDIF, and AES - how easy it that to do with RME?
Mostly the MOTU stuff works well for me, but I always am in fear of it beacuse of some of the flakey behavior it gets into.
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#432818 - 10/07/03 12:11 AM
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thanks
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#432819 - 10/07/03 03:02 AM
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Is anybody using RME for Mac? I just bought the Multiface and am using it in OS9.2 running Opcodes Studio Vision. I'm trying to find out it there's support for OSX as I will probably eventually change platforms to Protools or something in the OSX world...when I can afford it of course.
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#432820 - 10/07/03 03:46 AM
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bpark@prorec.com:
I was talking about the possibility of running 96 channels of audio at 48kHz from one PCI card... You have adat lightpipe/SMUX, TDIF (whatever), SPDIF, Wordclock I/O, Smpte I/O...
I just prefer the motu stuff... I am also a mac user so PCI slots are not exactly infinite...
my 2 cents
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#432821 - 10/07/03 07:39 AM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Originally posted by Bnote:
Is anybody using RME for Mac? I just bought the Multiface and am using it in OS9.2 running Opcodes Studio Vision. I'm trying to find out it there's support for OSX as I will probably eventually change platforms to Protools or something in the OSX world...when I can afford it of course.
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#432822 - 10/07/03 07:48 AM
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Bill@Welcome Home Studios
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Originally posted by arimaka:
...I was talking about the possibility of running 96 channels of audio at 48kHz from one PCI card... You have adat lightpipe/SMUX, TDIF (whatever), SPDIF, Wordclock I/O, Smpte I/O...
In the PC these days, most slots are empty. We used to have to fight for slots, as everything, including serial and preinter ports, required an extra card. Now almost everything is on the motherboards except for high quality video and sound.
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