#390921 - 02/23/00 12:24 AM
Drum Editing
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Gil_dup1
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I have some Drum and bass tracks on 2in that I'm not happy with the feel of. I'm looking in to sliding snare, kick and bass around to help that feel, (a la SD) but I am concerned about phase cancelation. I may also adjust tempo somewhat. Also, the bass has blead (sic) into the drums a little bit. Any input into this kind of work? I am intending to do it all in DAW.
Gil
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#390922 - 02/23/00 01:32 PM
Re: Drum Editing
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Roger Nichols
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First, get ready to spend some long hours at the computer. I have been doing just what you are talking about since 1978.
Since it was a live drummer, he isn;t going to be playing exactly the same feel all the way thru the song. Listen and see if you can find 8 bars that feel the way you want. If not, look for 4 bars, or 2 bars, or 1 bar. Once you have that, try a test loop of that piece and listen to see if it is what you want.
Make sure that the loop is exactly the right length.. so you don't have a limp at the loop point. I try to do it from snare hit to snare hit, or kick to kick..whichever works.
Most of what makes a "feel" is the sligh inconsistancikes in the actual bar itself. The snare on four is not exactly in the same place as the snare on two, the hihat drifts, etc.
After you have a loop, you can always cut back to the live drums for a fill going into the chorus, or maufacture fills, or overdub them.
There is no hard and fast "do this to eliminate leakage or phasing" There is phasing in any drum recording without moving anything because of the use of multiple mics. If you move the snare track earlier, you have just changed the distance between the snare mic position and the overhead mic position. You just have to listen to the results. If it sounds ok, do it. If it sounds bad, the try something else.
Bass leakage probably doesn't matter if you can't hear it with the bass turned on in the mix. If you can still hear the old bass and it is objectionable, then you should have recorded the bass direct and made the bass player not use his amp. If the bass player says "Hey, man I need my amp on while I'm playing.", then get another bass player.
Basically, you have to listen. If it is ok, it is ok. If it is not ok, then you have to do it over. If you are moving drum beats around, then the track wasn't good enought to use anyway so you would have to do it over even if you didn't have a DAW to try, so that's the way it goes.
Good Luck
Roger
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#390923 - 02/23/00 02:25 PM
Re: Drum Editing
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Gil_dup1
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Thanks, Roger. I do have multiple takes, so that will help. Ever used this Steinberg/Prosonueq Time Factory to change tempo? I need ~5 BPM slower.
Gil
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#390924 - 02/24/00 07:31 PM
Re: Drum Editing
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Roger Nichols
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No I have nefer used it. At the level of stuff that I do most of the time, time stretchers don't work well enough. They change the quality of the sound too much, so if I need something 5bpm slower I have the band come in and record it 5bpm slower.
The same thing happens with pitch changing devices. Usually the sound change makes it not worth it. Sometimes it works out but other times it doesn't and the singer has to re sing the parts that I need.
Roger
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#390925 - 02/24/00 07:39 PM
Re: Drum Editing
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Gil_dup1
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Thanks, Roger
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