#204804 - 08/19/03 10:01 AM
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Geoff Grace
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As SNL's Hans and Franz might say, "Read me now or lose it later!" 
On page 96 of the current (August 2003) issue of Keyboard magazine, Craig's article entitled, "Ironclad Backup" is a must read for anyone who archives their music for the future.
Personally, I plan to create and use an "Archiving Check List" based on what Craig wrote. I highly recommend this month's column! Way to go Craig! 
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Geoff
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#204805 - 08/19/03 10:08 AM
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Ja - hear me nahow und lizen to me latuh.
I'll definitely check the article out Geoff, although I have a system that has been working very well for me. The important thing is "back your stuff up - and have more than one copy".
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#204807 - 08/19/03 01:22 PM
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It's more than just that, it's about backing up so you'll actually be able to do something with file a decade from now. You'll see what I mean when you read the piece, it's not just the usual "Now boys and girls, don't forget to back up!"
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#204808 - 08/19/03 06:40 PM
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I don't want to give away too much of Craig's article (or there would be less reason to buy the issue), but I will say that it is really about archiving and future-proofing rather than backing up. Backing up implies merely copying what's already on the hard drive. Archiving involves transferring what's on the hard drive so that it may be retrieved in the future. Ideally, this involves a lot more than just offloading the contents of the hard drive "as is." It means considering how the hardware and software of the future might interact with your archives and doing your best to prepare for a worst case scenario.
Although Craig's column sums it up best, I'll refer you to a thread I created almost 2 1/2 years ago (as soapbox) about this topic:
The Best Medium For Archiving?
Although the thread began with a discussion of media, it also covered how we change our files for archiving and more. Craig's article is even more thorough (and current). However, I'm linking to the thread because a lot of good points were made by forum members and because it gives a hint at what Craig wrote about.
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Geoff
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#204809 - 08/19/03 09:45 PM
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One more thought:
Most people now understand the process and importance of mastering in addition to mixing, but fewer seem to understand the process and importance of archiving in addition to backing up.
I'm not directing that comment at anyone in particular. However, I believe that this issue is a dangerously neglected one.
Was that too preachy? ... Maybe I should have posted this thread under my old "soapbox" handle!
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Geoff
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#204810 - 08/24/03 09:35 PM
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I think it's time to give this thread a bump now that the contents of the August 2003 issue of Keyboard are online.
Unfortunately (and I'm not sure why), Craig's column is the only one that is unavailable to be read online this month . Is it possible to remedy this? I ask not for myself, because I already have a hard copy with my subscription. I ask this for our industry - the more people who read and follow the suggestions in Craig's archiving column, the better off we'll all be down the road!
One more request: while it's obvious that this issue is important to me, it's not apparent that this issue is important to most other forum members. If you are lurking in this thread and you want to keep this subject alive, please sign in as if this were a guestbook, even if you have nothing else to contribute. If you want Keyboard magazine to post Craig's archiving column, please let them know. If there are no other posts, I'll assume that forum members aren't interested; and I'll let it go.
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Geoff
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#204811 - 08/24/03 09:44 PM
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Must buy, must buy, must buy... 
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#204812 - 08/25/03 03:06 AM
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Rumor has it that the article was ready to go online, but somehow it was lost and... DOH! it wasn't backed up OR archived. 
(K-i-d-d-i-n-g!)
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#204813 - 08/25/03 12:47 PM
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Fantasticsound -- hilarious!!
I don't know why it's not up there, but they do rotate around, not everything is posted all the time.
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#204814 - 08/25/03 08:03 PM
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Neil, that was very funny!
Craig, would it be possible to ask Keyboard magazine to post your archiving column? If so, how might one go about it? It's too bad that Keyboard magazine picked this month to exempt your work from being online. What I mean to say is that while I always find your advice to be valuable, this time I think it's invaluable!
Thanks.
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Another important source for archiving information is a document that George Massenburg helped put together (as co-chair of the Delivery Specifications Committee for The Producers & Engineers Wing of the Recording Academy). It contains delivery recommendations for master media, and these recommendations are quickly becoming adopted by the recording industry.
It would be a good idea for anyone who is involved in creating master media to read this document.
Here is an excerpt:
The use of digital technology and the availability of powerful yet relatively inexpensive computing hardware and software has exponentially expanded both the scope and variety of creative tools used in the recording process. However, the continued evolution and even consequent obsolescence of these very tools increasingly threatens our ability to revisit the original master tracks, even in the short-run.
With this in mind, Nashville members of the P&E Wing of The Recording AcademyŽ formed a Delivery Specifications Committee, which has created The Delivery Recommendations for Master Recordings document. This is a concise yet expansive document containing guidelines for both short-term (transitional) and long-term (archival) storage of master recordings, which are the very essence of the recording artist's work and the core of the record industry's asset base. It is essential that all concerned - producers, engineers, artists, record labels and manufacturers - work together to ensure that these often-irreplaceable artistic historical assets are preserved.
http://www.grammy.com/recommendations.pdf
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Geoff
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#204815 - 08/25/03 11:18 PM
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Geoff, thank you for posting this. I think it's a very important topic (archiving, that is, not just backing up, although both are obviously important). I hope to see Craig's article soon!!!
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#204816 - 08/26/03 05:57 PM
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Ken, I'm glad you're interested.
BTW, I doubt the August 2003 issue of Keyboard magazine will be on newsstands much longer. This would be a good time to purchase a copy if you're not a subscriber! 
Edit: my September 2003 issue of Keyboard magazine just arrived in today's mail ... not a good sign for shelf life of the August 2003 issue!
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Geoff
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#204817 - 08/26/03 11:14 PM
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I vote to keep the topic alive, and would like to see the article, but bum that I am I won't read the magazine. Those things make me dizzy, and kinda nauseous. It's a hype thing. I guess I'm a hype-o-chondriac.
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#204818 - 08/27/03 08:28 PM
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I went and bought that magazine specifically for that article...
...and left it at Subway! 
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#204819 - 08/27/03 10:40 PM
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Ted, LOL! Thanks for your support of this topic.
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Veracohr, what a drag! Sorry to hear that. 
Well, maybe someone at Subway is a musician who needs to know about archiving.
And maybe Keyboard magazine will change its mind and post Craig's archiving column? Hint, hint. 
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Geoff
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#204820 - 08/27/03 10:50 PM
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I just sent a note to Ernie at Keyboard asking if this article will be archived at some point. If not, I can probably post the text here at some point...better than nothing.
I had something else to say, but I forgot to back it up .
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#204821 - 08/27/03 11:58 PM
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Geoff Grace
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LOL! Thanks Craig!
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Geoff
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#204822 - 08/28/03 01:09 AM
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C'mon Ernie!
Thanks Geoff & Craig
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#204823 - 08/28/03 11:21 PM
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Geoff Grace
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And thank you, John, for your support of this topic.
Ernie seems like a good guy; I imagine he'll honor Craig's request.
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#204824 - 08/29/03 01:27 AM
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I am completely opposed to archiving your recording sessions for future use. Archiving just makes you lazy and uncreative, always falling back on your well-preserved catalog of OLD has-been songs; whereas being disorganized and irresponsible with your old session files, and therefore unable to use them, forces you to create NEW, exciting material, or at least better versions of your old songs.
So, don't let people like Craig "Know-it-all" Anderton and Geoff "I-wish-I-were-as-cool-as-Craig" Grace mislead you. Follow your instincts, and REFUSE TO ARCHIVE!!!
Thank you.
I will now go buy a copy of that issue of Keyboard magazine. Sounds like an important article, since I DO plan to still be recording digitally in 10 years.
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#204825 - 08/29/03 05:48 PM
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BUMP.
I haven't bought the issue yet, and I don't see the article up on the Keyboard site yet, but I'm still interested in reading it.
Craig, any word back from the KB web guys yet? That issue may not still be on the stands now. Thanks.
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#204826 - 08/29/03 11:25 PM
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Bunny, you're on a roll!
Thanks for keeping this topic on page one for the last 24 hours!
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Geoff
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#204827 - 08/29/03 11:33 PM
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I archive all my 24/44.1 tracks to Cassette.
They have proven reliable, they are cheap and hay, the added tape saturation is just a bonus!
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#204828 - 08/29/03 11:52 PM
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Having a Roland VS series recorder presents its own archiving issues... It has a proprietary format for archiving the original tracks... that obviously won't work if my recorder breaks and there's no current replacement available... it's an archivists nightmare!
I do also archive .wav files of mixed material... but that's NOT the same as saving all the "raw" tracks...
In the "computer world" I do know of many situations where people had tape backups and religiously used them... thinking everything was being backed up fine... only to later learn that the tape was damaged... or wouldn't properly restore... even "rotating" tapes doesn't guarantee perfect restoration... especially over long periods.
One common "weakness" in many archiving implementations... not trying to "restore" once in a while to make sure you know how to, that the media is working, and the restore worked properly...
If it's important, you DON'T want to wait until you NEED it... to find out it's gonna or NOT gonna work.
(I haven't read Craig's article, so I bet he's said all this in a much more organized and effective manner)... but that's my $.02...
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#204829 - 08/30/03 08:53 PM
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Good points guitplayer! 
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Geoff
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#204831 - 08/31/03 01:57 AM
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If you have PT, then put ALL sound files on a external HD(7200 or better), put the system(PT) on the main drive(C).
If you are running LE then you will get 20 tracks either 15 or so plugins(except C4, CPU HOG)
If you are running TDM, then play around all day because you have the space, just make a COPY of the file BEFORE you fuck with it.
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#204832 - 08/31/03 03:00 AM
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I was with ya till you got to the punck thing - way after my time - and I'm a Civil War Vet so I knows a thing or 2 about Johnny comes Marchin home...
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#204833 - 08/31/03 06:02 AM
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Shit, you guys are drunk!
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