#1946789 - 05/23/08 06:39 PM
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You guys know why I ask in here so I hope it's ok... My old band mates and I send music files back and forth and import them into our recording software... We have to do it in Mp3... Is there a way to send Wav files? I know they're large but there must be a way or a program that will allow it... A little help?
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#1946792 - 05/23/08 07:06 PM
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i think you are implying that they are too large to be attached conventionally to an email. yousendit.com allows for email of larger attachments. an alternate method is uploading the wave file to mediafire.com, and copying and pasting the link that it gives you in an email to a friend. hope this helps.
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#1946794 - 05/23/08 07:11 PM
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I've heard about yousendit..... I'll give it a try... Thanks Soggy
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#1946799 - 05/23/08 07:29 PM
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Erm... whack them on a disk and send them via snail mail? It would only take about a day or so...  Otherwise you could set up a website and then you could FTP the files. It'd need to be a proper website not some wimpy little Geocities free site, but it's only about eight bucks a month.
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#1946804 - 05/23/08 07:55 PM
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Easiest way is with an FTP program. Have one of you set up an FTP server on your computer and then use FTP programs for transferring files back and forth. If you're interested, let me know and I can help you figure out what you need and how to work it.
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#1946806 - 05/23/08 07:58 PM
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Thanks Craig... Would only one of us have to have an FTP program? And what is an FTP program?
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#1946824 - 05/23/08 08:48 PM
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I'm not SURE what an "FTP" program is... other than being a TLA (Three Letter Acronym). It.. MIGHT... be "File Transfer Protocol", like http is Hypertext Text Transfer Protocol.
BUT.. I do know that there's a program called WinRar that compresses like WinZip, but even smaller. Small enough to send a couple dozen pictures over IM. If you wanna' try it, let me know. I'll look it up.
PS: OH! It's free for thirty days or something. Then it's $30.
Edited by Dave da Dude (05/23/08 08:49 PM)
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#1946836 - 05/23/08 09:36 PM
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CuteFTP...is quite good (ignore the "cute" name)...though it's not free.
I use it all the time to transfer files for a few websites I manage.
http://www.cuteftp.com/
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#1946855 - 05/23/08 11:42 PM
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Erm... guys, you already HAVE ftp, if you're using Windows. I'm sure Linux has something like it too.
All you have to do is go
ftp
open <remote machine>
login with user name and password, if required
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cd <wherever you want to put the files>
mput <all the files you want to transfer, assuming you can use wildcards>
close
bye
You don't need to spend thirty bucks to do that.
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#1946888 - 05/24/08 04:24 AM
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A String
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Actually Vince, most browsers have a built-in FTP engine. You just change the http to ftp and you're good to go.
To answer the questions, yes, ftp stands for file transfer protocol. You can use your browser for retrieving the file, but you may want to consider an actual FTP program if you want to get into it.
One of you will need to be running an FTP server. Personally, I run Serv-U, but there are a few free ones out there that are less complex and easier to use.
After giving it some thought last night, I thought of a much easier way. Do either of you use messaging programs like MSN Messenger etc.? Those programs allow you to transfer files and have a chat while the file is moving. They are free and very easy to use. Much easier then an FTP program would be.
Regarding a compression program like Winrar, they are good for compressing before sending over an FTP or messenger service, but won't cut it for email. The problem is, a wav file is almost exactly ten times larger then an MP3. This means that an average MP3 of around 5Mb, becomes 50Mbs. Programs like Winrar just can't compress a file like that, anywhere near enough to make it "emailable". Most email servers will only allow you to send 3Mbs.
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#1946906 - 05/24/08 06:02 AM
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mput <all the files you want to transfer, assuming you can use wildcards>
Okay, deuces wild, no low ace straights, five card draw. Ante up! 
Sorry... just a little, yeah... I know, VERY little, levity.
And... on the spending money thing? Just imho, but generally speaking, free programs are fine for just dabbling in something once and a while. But when you actually want to do something in depth, paying a "few" bucks is usually well worth while.
i.e., generic PC CAD for $50 (as free as CAD gets, I think. A nice toy to lay out the furniture in a room or your vegetable garden. But if you want actual engineering drawings, AutoCad at $500 (for LT) is the minimum usable software. Same is true of spreadsheets, word processors, and Outlook vs. Outlook Express, imho.
Ya' still get what you pay for, or less in the case of some overpriced guitar manufacturers. 
PS: And on a much more realistic, and non-rambling, note; what A String says sounds like good, solid,, uncolored advice to me. Especially the IM thing. File transfer is pretty straightforward in those programs and even fairly large files can be handled... with a little time, that can be used to discuss other things about your music and otherwise keep in touch without tying up the phone line (assuming some sort of hi-speed ISP connection).
Edited by Dave da Dude (05/24/08 06:08 AM)
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#1946907 - 05/24/08 06:03 AM
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Vince - you might also be able to set up an ftp site using your web site hosting service. I have a business where I transfer quite large files between myself and a couple of clients. Setting it up on my web site was not that expensive and if there were three or four of us sharing the same files it would not tie up my connection every time someone else wanted to access one of the files.
Rampdog - if any of your band mates has their own web site you might want to look into this.
Edited by caprae (05/24/08 06:04 AM)
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#1946938 - 05/24/08 07:45 AM
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You don't need to spend thirty bucks to do that.
The GUI and transfer options are much friendlier and more advanced with the $39 program. 
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#1946944 - 05/24/08 08:12 AM
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while i personally prefer FTP, mediafire is an easy website for most people to use, and uploads very quickly. plus it makes it easy to post links to files.
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#1946947 - 05/24/08 08:34 AM
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Me and my singer used MSN messenger to send big files. It would generally take about 10 min per song
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#1946973 - 05/24/08 09:25 AM
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Cute FTP is another great program, but it is a transfer program. In order to share files, one of the pair would need to set up an FTP server, a "hosting site" if you will on one of the computers. The best way is to set it up on a computer that has a static IP so you can use the same address and even set up a DNS alias so you have a name instead of just numbers.
Setting up an FTP server can be a little tricky and there really is no point in paying someone to host it for you. Ultimately, it is something that you would use if you wanted to share files with a large amount of people. For just the two of you, I'd still recommend using MSN Messenger.
If you do decide to run an FTP site, let me know and I can help you set it up.
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#1946977 - 05/24/08 09:29 AM
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Oh, also, with the FTP server, it works ok with one computer, but if you have a network with a router, then you also have to get into setting up the port forwarding and setting the DHCP to assign a static IP to your computer, so the FTP port and any passive ports you set up are always forwarded to your computer instead of one of the others on the network.
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#1947017 - 05/24/08 10:45 AM
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Just as another idea, if you don't have a website that can host the files and you're not into setting up an ftp server:
You can use a free program to cut large files into smaller segments, send the smaller segments individually through email and the recipient can easily re-attach them. I used to do that years ago to exchange some large files and it worked out great.
FTP is still preferred when possible but cutting up the files is very simple. I don't have the name of the free program I was using but I could retrieve it if you're interested.
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#1947021 - 05/24/08 10:49 AM
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I'm anything but a expert on this stuff but a question here. When I send or receive MP3 tracks, my DAW program converts the files back into .wav files automatically. Why would you want to send .wav files full sized files when they will be converted anyway in the DAW? I'm probably missing something here?
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#1947027 - 05/24/08 10:58 AM
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Most multi-track programs record in wav. An MP3, although good quality, just can't compare with the uncompressed wav file. When you compress the file to MP3, you lose some of the quality of the original recording.
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#1947028 - 05/24/08 11:00 AM
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WAV files are uncompressed and MP3 are compressed. The soundfiles lose quality everytime they are compressed. This justifies sending full WAV files if you will continue working on them and adding to them.
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#1947030 - 05/24/08 11:00 AM
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I see, ok, but when you put the MP3 track into your project in the DAW, aren't they converted back to .wav and you get all the uncompressed dynamics back Craig?? or maybe not???
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#1947031 - 05/24/08 11:03 AM
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Compression is done by removing some of the frequencies that you can't hear (I think there is more to it then that, but you'll have to wait for one of the recoding guys to come along for the full story). Once the file is compressed, you can't get the missing parts back.
As I mentioned, most programs record in wav, but they can import and play most other file types. Some of the programs will even open videos.
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#1947033 - 05/24/08 11:06 AM
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I forgot to add that MP3 uses a lossy compression scheme. So what is lost during compression can never be recovered.
Some compression schemes are non-lossy but not MP3.
Hope this helps.
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#1947034 - 05/24/08 11:07 AM
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"but you'll have to wait for one of the recoding guys to come along for the full story"
NOOOO!! it's OK, that's good!
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#1947036 - 05/24/08 11:17 AM
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I kept replying in between Craig and yourself but yes, Craig provided all the answers, too! 
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#1947075 - 05/24/08 12:46 PM
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Rampdog - if any of your band mates has their own web site you might want to look into this.
None of us has our own website and to boot the keyboard player is computor dumb... I know he's just afraid of them but back in the day he was the guy that did all the recording set ups and fixing of amps and soundsystems and light systems etc...but he let the computor age pass him by... Leaving us to send him CD's via snail mail which he imports into his mixing board and we play hell trying to synch everything back up with him when we get it back... We're trying our best to get him into the putor but he's like a burro with his hoofs dug in... And he has a beautiful VIOS notebook just sitting there but he refuses to use it and refuses to get recording software... Guys it is so friggin' frustrating... He's 3000 miles away so I can't help him and the bass player is out his way for the next 6 months and he's gonna' do his best to get him into putors... You guys didn't say too much about "Yousendit" ... Seems to me that would work for sending WAV files wouldn't it?
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#1947083 - 05/24/08 01:10 PM
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Yousendit is a good alternative. I was just trying to think of something that cuts out the middle man and allows you to send the files directly. With Yousendit, you have to upload the files, get the link, send the link to your friend and, only then, can he start downloading. With MSN, you drop the file onto the chat screen, he gets the offer to download it and it starts going.
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