#1942788 - 05/15/08 09:59 PM
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guitarzan
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i miss p90's like hell so i am presently considering a set of sp90 pickups from vintage vibe. they are standard single coils sized pu's but sound like p90's. the clips on Vintage vibe's site are tasty. i sent an email with some questions around 11:30. would you believe that Pete Biltoft replied allready! that is the fastest i have ever received a response from anyone. he also mentioned the fatocaster mod. i am hearing about that alot lately.
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#1942825 - 05/16/08 03:28 AM
Re: potential mod hmmmm
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Caevan O'Shite
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Aaww, if yer gonna be a bear, be a grizzly, 'Zan! 
Go for the gusto, an' the whole nine-yards:
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Have two pickgaurds, one with "standard" single-coils (the one you've got already, for example), and another with a trio of soapbars innit; and have a quick-connect get-up for the jack, so that you can swap back and forth as you please (you know you're eventually gonna miss whatever pickup-type you don't have in there), about as easily as a string-change, maybe even easier.
Besides, part of what makes a P-90 sound and feel the way it does is the larger overall coil-size with its wider outer-turns, not just having more or less wire in the coil than another pickup type; as well as the bar-magnets underneath the coil with non-magnetic polepiece-screws (like a humbucker), instead of rod-magnet polepieces. All of that contributes to the slightly compressed feel and rounder whistle-like attack.
But, to be fair, those VVG SP-90s do seem like a super-cool idea for pickups! 
Keep us posted whichever way you go, and good luck!
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#1942835 - 05/16/08 04:09 AM
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I agree with Caev. My SDS-1s are Strat-sized pups built after the P90 format - but they don't sound like P90s.
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#1942921 - 05/16/08 07:56 AM
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Caevan O'Shite
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Yeah, Geoff's right... they'll sound good, just different, not quite the same... 
Forgive the tangent here, but... 
Further fueling the fires of G.A.$., I really have this thing about loving P-90s on shorter-scale guitars, and Fender-style single-coils on longer-scale axes, and I really feel that they're respectively at their best that way; I think that it is due not only to traditional precedence, but actually largely due to the further exaggerated ratio of pickup/magnetic-field size vs. length of harmonic-overtone-vibrations along the strings...
Shorter scale-length (Gibson LP, 335, SG, etc.) + P-90s = fewer & different balance of high-overtones/stronger fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the wider magnetic aperture of the P-90s. A shorter complex waveform, being caught in the wider spot-light of the P-90; a fat slice of warm, round tones.
Longer scale-length (Fender Tele, Strat, etc.) + Fender-style single-coils = richer & greater number of high-overtones/lesser emphasis on the fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the narrower magnetic aperture of the fender-style single-coil. A longer, even more complex waveform, being caught in the narrower spot-light of the s/c; a thinner (but maybe taller) slice of a bundle of stringier tones.
(Add to that the snappier attack of Fenderish single-coils vs. the more compressed, whistle-like roundness of P-90s, not to mention all the material, design, and construction differences between Fender and Gibson styles... and we wound up being given beautifully enhanced, more fully realized tone-generator recipes in those respective schools of electric-guitar making. Almost as much by happenstance as by design!)
ANYWAYS- sorry!- I really love what the combination of scale-length and pickup-type can yield!
So, 'Zan, if you made it this far without skipping or deleting me, this is all an excuse for you to get a pickguard loaded with some soapbars and controls; and then, after a while, a shorter-scaled conversion-neck; and then, a little further on down the road, another body (Mahogany, maybe?) that the shorter-scale neck can be bolted onto; and then you'll already have two loaded pickguards, all you'll need is a little more hardware and you'll have two guitars, one a Strat, and one custom-made/D.I.Y. axe with a gnarly trio of P-90 soapbars... feeding a little G.A.$.-pang, just a little, here and there along the way... sounds like a win-win proposition to me! 
But I digress...
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#1942924 - 05/16/08 07:59 AM
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If I ever have another guitar made, it will be a single mid-mounted P-90 with a single volume control and a volume bypass switch. Probably in osmething like an LP Jr/Melodymaker/Warmoth Soloist sized body.
I think that is is funny when we talk of tone, we always skip the Gretsches. The original Gretsch pickups (both styles) beat the hell out of anything that we talk about for pure richness of tone and tonal quality.
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Edited by Bill@Welcome Home Studios (05/16/08 08:01 AM)
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#1942977 - 05/16/08 09:19 AM
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Yeah, Geoff's right... they'll sound good, just different, not quite the same...  Forgive the tangent here, but...  Further fueling the fires of G.A.$.,  I really have this thing about loving P-90s on shorter-scale guitars, and Fender-style single-coils on longer-scale axes, and I really feel that they're respectively at their best that way; I think that it is due not only to traditional precedence, but actually largely due to the further exaggerated ratio of pickup/magnetic-field size vs. length of harmonic-overtone-vibrations along the strings... Shorter scale-length (Gibson LP, 335, SG, etc.) + P-90s = fewer & different balance of high-overtones/stronger fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the wider magnetic aperture of the P-90s. A shorter complex waveform, being caught in the wider spot-light of the P-90; a fat slice of warm, round tones. Longer scale-length (Fender Tele, Strat, etc.) + Fender-style single-coils = richer & greater number of high-overtones/lesser emphasis on the fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the narrower magnetic aperture of the fender-style single-coil. A longer, even more complex waveform, being caught in the narrower spot-light of the s/c; a thinner (but maybe taller)  slice of a bundle of stringier tones. (Add to that the snappier attack of Fenderish single-coils vs. the more compressed, whistle-like roundness of P-90s, not to mention all the material, design, and construction differences between Fender and Gibson styles... and we wound up being given beautifully enhanced, more fully realized tone-generator recipes in those respective schools of electric-guitar making. Almost as much by happenstance as by design!) ANYWAYS- sorry!- I really love what the combination of scale-length and pickup-type can yield! So, 'Zan, if you made it this far without skipping or deleting me,  this is all an excuse for you to get a pickguard loaded with some soapbars and controls; and then, after a while, a shorter-scaled conversion-neck; and then, a little further on down the road, another body (Mahogany, maybe?)  that the shorter-scale neck can be bolted onto; and then you'll already have two loaded pickguards, all you'll need is a little more hardware and you'll have two guitars, one a Strat, and one custom-made/D.I.Y. axe with a gnarly trio of P-90 soapbars... feeding a little G.A.$.-pang, just a little, here and there along the way... sounds like a win-win proposition to me!  But I digress...
Blimey!!!!
talk about raising the Quality of Discussion!!!!!!!!! 
A propos - I also have ('bucker-shaped) P90s in my 24.75" scale Aria TA-40 and Strat-types in my 25.5" guitars, except for my long-scale Ibanez Studio ST-105 which currently has PAFs, but I'm seriously looking for V2s to put it back proper with a view to selling.
i think Caev may have something about single coils needing the greater string length.
G.
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#1943009 - 05/16/08 09:56 AM
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" The original Gretsch pickups (both styles) beat the hell out of anything that we talk about for pure richness of tone and tonal quality."
The sure as hell do!!!
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#1943154 - 05/16/08 03:22 PM
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i am not gonna argue that. on a side note i helped my neighbour build a big a$$ed garage and workshop last year. we have discussed building a couple of guitars. i will be making a Jr type or a Vee. don't know when the projects will start but i am committed to the idea and so is Steve.
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#1943155 - 05/16/08 03:23 PM
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Yeah, Geoff's right... they'll sound good, just different, not quite the same...  Forgive the tangent here, but...  Further fueling the fires of G.A.$.,  I really have this thing about loving P-90s on shorter-scale guitars, and Fender-style single-coils on longer-scale axes, and I really feel that they're respectively at their best that way; I think that it is due not only to traditional precedence, but actually largely due to the further exaggerated ratio of pickup/magnetic-field size vs. length of harmonic-overtone-vibrations along the strings... Shorter scale-length (Gibson LP, 335, SG, etc.) + P-90s = fewer & different balance of high-overtones/stronger fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the wider magnetic aperture of the P-90s. A shorter complex waveform, being caught in the wider spot-light of the P-90; a fat slice of warm, round tones. Longer scale-length (Fender Tele, Strat, etc.) + Fender-style single-coils = richer & greater number of high-overtones/lesser emphasis on the fundamental-tone (pitch), presented to the narrower magnetic aperture of the fender-style single-coil. A longer, even more complex waveform, being caught in the narrower spot-light of the s/c; a thinner (but maybe taller)  slice of a bundle of stringier tones. (Add to that the snappier attack of Fenderish single-coils vs. the more compressed, whistle-like roundness of P-90s, not to mention all the material, design, and construction differences between Fender and Gibson styles... and we wound up being given beautifully enhanced, more fully realized tone-generator recipes in those respective schools of electric-guitar making. Almost as much by happenstance as by design!) ANYWAYS- sorry!- I really love what the combination of scale-length and pickup-type can yield! So, 'Zan, if you made it this far without skipping or deleting me,  this is all an excuse for you to get a pickguard loaded with some soapbars and controls; and then, after a while, a shorter-scaled conversion-neck; and then, a little further on down the road, another body (Mahogany, maybe?)  that the shorter-scale neck can be bolted onto; and then you'll already have two loaded pickguards, all you'll need is a little more hardware and you'll have two guitars, one a Strat, and one custom-made/D.I.Y. axe with a gnarly trio of P-90 soapbars... feeding a little G.A.$.-pang, just a little, here and there along the way... sounds like a win-win proposition to me!  But I digress...
definately, i always wanted to give birth to a guitar of my own design.
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#1943321 - 05/17/08 04:38 AM
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Caevan O'Shite
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'Zan and Geoff- your respective D.I.Y. ideas sound good! 
'Zan- would you be making the neck from scratch, or getting a pre-made one?
Geoff- what about a vintage Tele-style, string-through-body bridge and plate assembly, with those cool angled brass saddles for better intonation, instead of a Strat-style hard-tail? And a good Broadcaster/Telecaster style pickup innitt?
B y the way, I really, really really want to try a Hamer Talladega (very pricey, though!), and I'm really, really really very interested in the proprietary Hamer/Seymour Duncan "Double D" P-90/Tele hybrid, 'bucker-sized single-coils innitt... !!
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#1943350 - 05/17/08 06:06 AM
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I'd be sure to try one out if I ran across one sometime, Geoff!
I kinda liked those Tele Jr. models (I think that's what they were called) that came out a few years ago- well, I guess it was a good decade or more ago, really- that had set-necks and P-90 style pickups. I think they were mahogany, but then again, they had solid color (ehrr, sorry, Geoff- colour) finishes. Can't recall the scale-length for sure... They might even have had carved-tops under solid finishes, I can't remember for sure, it was a good while ago when I played it! Come to think of it, I guess it had a flat body more like a typical Tele, but still very cool... )
EDIT: Ooooh, nice lookin' Wilkinson soapbarred Strat-stylee there, too!
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