#1942182 - 05/14/08 02:25 PM
2nd OT: Feeding these human foods to your pet can kill it
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Hmmm, the first attempt at posting this topic was actin' weird (for me at least), so I'm trying again here:
"As little as a single serving of raisins can kill them"
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/24544541/?GT1=43001
Bad news foods
Avocados
They contain a toxic component called persin, which can damage heart, lung and other tissue in many animals. This fruit is very toxic to dogs, cats and most animals.
Beer
Alcoholic beverages can cause the same damage to an animal's liver and brain as they cause in humans. But the effects can be deadly on animals since they are much smaller than us. The smaller the animal, the more deadly the effects can be. Even a small amount of alcohol may cause vomiting and damage the liver and brain.
Nuts
Walnuts and macadamia nuts are especially toxic. Effects can be anything from vomiting to paralysis to death. Within 12 hours of eating the nuts, pets start to develop symptoms such as an inability to stand or walk, vomiting, hyperthermia (elevated body temperature), weakness, and an elevated heart rate. These symptoms can be even worse if your dog eats some chocolate with the nuts. The effect can cause kidney failure, often leading to death.
Chocolate
Chocolate contains theobromine, which can kill your pet if eaten in large quantities. Dark and unsweetened baking chocolates are especially dangerous. Giving your pup a piece of chocolate cake or even letting him lick the chocolate icing on the cake could cause him to become ill.
Candy
Candy or anything containing Xylitol (a common sweetener found in some diet products) can cause a sudden drop in an animal's blood sugar, loss of coordination and seizures. If left untreated, the animal could die.
Caffeine
Coffee, tea or any product that contains caffeine stimulates an animal's central nervous and cardiac systems. This can lead to restlessness, heart palpitations and death, depending on how much the animal consumes.
Grapes and raisins
Grapes and raisins can lead to kidney failure in dogs. As little as a single serving of raisins can kill them. And the effects are cumulative, which means that even if a dog eats just one or two grapes or raisins regularly, the toxin that builds in his system will eventually kill him.
Onions
Onions are another common food that can be highly toxic to pets. They can destroy an animal's red blood cells and lead to anemia, weakness and breathing difficulties. Their effects are also cumulative over time.
Good news foods
There are a few things that you CAN give to your furry pal. However, you should always consult a veterinarian before introducing a new food item to your pet.
Although these foods are normally harmless, some animals have sensitive gastrointestinal tracts. So even these healthy treats should be avoided if they cause gastrointestinal upset for your pet. Keep in mind that these and other "extras" should not make up more than 5 to 10 percent of the pet's daily caloric intake.
Vegetables
Carrot sticks, green beans, cucumber slices and zucchini slices are all OK.
Fruit
Apple slices, orange slices, bananas and watermelon are all OK. Make sure the seeds have been taken out; seeds are not good for your pet!
Baked potatoes
Plain baked potatoes are fine, but make sure they are cooked — no unripe potatoes or potato plants.
Bread
Plain cooked bread is fine; just make sure there are no nuts or raisins added.
Rice and pasta
Plain, cooked pasta and white rice are OK. Often veterinarians recommend plain rice with some boiled chicken when gastrointestinal upset is present.
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#1942191 - 05/14/08 02:47 PM
Re: 2nd OT: Feeding these human foods to your pet can kill it
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damn, that's a lot of no-no's. Unfortunately, my "small dog" has had plenty of these things to eat. Not regularly of course and in very small quantaties. But thankfully no real harm has been done.
I think they are kinda drumming this up a bit, but I don't think any credibility can be taken away because I have seen negative side effects of such things.
So overall, my dog can no longer lick the dishwasher 
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#1942202 - 05/14/08 03:16 PM
Re: 2nd OT: Feeding these human foods to your pet can kill it
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Yeah, when I was a kid, I went on a school trip to Washington. On the way, we stopped at the Hershey factory and I bought a great big, two pound bag, of chocolate bar ends. I brought it home and went to school. When I got home, the dog had eaten all of it and he seemed fine. This is the same dog that would occasionally drink beer, eat nuts and candies and many of the other "dangerous" foods. Granted, he was a lab...
All of this being said, I'm sure some animals are effected and it's probably best to not take a chance.
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#1942217 - 05/14/08 04:05 PM
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And there's this one to consider: "Their effects are also cumulative over time".
When I was a teenager the family dog dog jumped up and snagged a whole plate of a certain type of brownies off of the counter when no one was home. It was passed out for a long time, but I never thought until now about how bad the chocolate part of the batch could've been for it.
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#1942309 - 05/14/08 08:56 PM
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Hmmmm...." here kitty kitty who just tore up my $2000 sofa and pissed on my $1200 carpet...come get your cod with raisin and avocado....mmmmhmm, yummy yummy.....do you want some beer in your dish instead of that boring old water"
LOL, well I would never do that...BUT...when my wifes expensive old Himalayan passes on to the big cat box in the sky...we are NEVER EVER getting another cat. I will leave....the last two have managed to bugger up so much stuff and piss all over the house, puke up food at least 3 times a week.....no mas!!! I do not care what training is needed, what gender is better....no more cats.
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#1942330 - 05/14/08 09:53 PM
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Hmmmm...." here kitty kitty who just tore up my $2000 sofa and pissed on my $1200 carpet...come get your cod with raisin and avocado....mmmmhmm, yummy yummy.....do you want some beer in your dish instead of that boring old water"
LOL, well I would never do that...BUT...when my wifes expensive old Himalayan passes on to the big cat box in the sky...we are NEVER EVER getting another cat. I will leave....the last two have managed to bugger up so much stuff and piss all over the house, puke up food at least 3 times a week.....no mas!!! I do not care what training is needed, what gender is better....no more cats.
So, how do you really feel about cats, Lister?? LOL
As far as, er, facilitating the dissappearance of a feline, I've, ah, I've HEARD that acute lead poisioning is the most efficient choice. Plus, it saves a lot of raisins, chocolate, and beer!!! 
My very own Tiger just asked me "What you talk'in 'bout, Willis?"
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#1942412 - 05/15/08 05:42 AM
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Have you ever seen anyone feed carrot sticks or apple slices to a dog or cat? Not that it's INCONCEIVABLE......
Giving them beer? Well, I knew people back in the late 60s to blow pot smoke in their cat's face, and even give them acid. Now THAT'S definitely wrong!
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#1942416 - 05/15/08 05:53 AM
Re: 2nd OT: Feeding these human foods to your pet can kill i
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My dad used to grind up the vegetable peels and left overs from our meals into a gravy he put over their hard food which he said was healthy for them.....we did not have dogs dying left and right.
I would never hurt an animal Doc..........unless of course it was to save a sofa LOL!!!! 
Still kidding.
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#1942430 - 05/15/08 06:44 AM
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Yeah, Miro... cats are all about the dairy products!
At my house we can pull out any ice cream treat, whether it's a sandwich, Nutty Buddy or scoop ice cream and they are instantly all over us! Not that I let them have it but still they try and try.
My favorite, in this regard, was Domino. He'd make himself especially comfortable on my leg and stare patiently at me and the ice cream, then push into me as if to say, "Pleeeeeeeeeaaase!"
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#1942480 - 05/15/08 08:25 AM
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Bejeeber, this thread is a true public service. Thanks! I knew about some of these, e.g., tomatoes, onions, chocolate, but not others. We have six dogs (NO cats!), and most of them won't touch any of that stuff, but one, Spirit, will eat anything - including banana and orange peels. Gotta watch him like a hawk, he'll get up his hind legs and steal anything he can off the kitchen counters.
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#1942504 - 05/15/08 09:47 AM
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Maybe Spirit was an herbivore in a previous incarnation.....
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#1942604 - 05/15/08 01:32 PM
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Have you ever seen anyone feed carrot sticks or apple slices to a dog or cat? Not that it's INCONCEIVABLE......
Dude, my wife's dog goes wild for carrots. Of course it may not be an actual dog by your reckoning - it's an ahem, Pomeranian. 
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#1942607 - 05/15/08 01:36 PM
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My dad used to grind up the vegetable peels and left overs from our meals into a gravy he put over their hard food
Yeah that's how I can see some real trouble starting, like if someone did that with raisins in there.
I hope my copy/paste from the article isn't misleading when y'all scan it though - keep an eye out for the good news foods distinction 2/3 of the way down, a category which vegetables are definitely in. So when your dad said they were good for the dogs he was right on!
I've actually printed that list out and posted it inside our kitchen cabinets, because I can't be trusted to remember the details!
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#1942621 - 05/15/08 01:58 PM
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I'm skeptical. I heard a veteranarian hosting a call-in-about-your-pet show who said that the whole chocolate/poison-to-dogs thing was an old wives tale, and untrue. The sugar is bad for their teeth, and if they eat too much (because it tastes good) they can get sick just like a child can.
Cumulative over time? I'm going to need to hear some kind of expplanation for how that works before I believe it. Metabolism consumes and eliminates everything with time...
Alcohol? Makes sense. If you avoid alcohol altogether for more than a month, you. too, will have substantially more effect from a little than if you drink all the time.
Nuts: perhaps. Even some humans have these symptoms. (So there is precedent...)
Grapes and raisins? I'm highly dubious, especially given that fruit is listed as OK later.
I'm also dubious about onions.
Rhesus monkeys are metabolically so like us that they can ascertain how drugs will affect us through analyzing how they affect those monkeys.
Our pets have red blood, breathe oxygen, and have natural diets quite similar to portions of ours.
I clicked the link. The original artical gave no sources for these assertions...
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#1942638 - 05/15/08 02:18 PM
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From http://www.vetinfo4dogs.com/dtoxin.html#Grape%20and%20raisin%20poisonings%20in%20Dogs
Grape and raisin poisonings in Dogs
Recently, there was a letter in the AVMA Journal from Dr. Gwaltney-Brant and others at the ASPCA Animal Poison Control Center discussing grape and raisin poisoning in dogs. Apparently, grapes and raisins can be toxic to dogs when ingested in large quantities.
The grapes and raisins came from varied sources, including being eaten off the vine directly. The dogs exhibited gastrointestinal signs including vomiting and diarrhea and then signs of kidney failure with an onset of severe kidney signs starting about 24 hours after ingestion of the grapes or raisins. The amount of grapes eaten varied between 9oz. and 2 lbs., which worked out to be between 0.41 and 1.1 oz/kg of body weight. Two dogs died directly from the toxicity, three were euthanized due to poor response to treatment and five dogs lived. Due to the severity of the signs and the potential for death, the veterinarians at the poison control center advocate aggressive treatment for any dogs suggested of ingesting excessive amounts of grapes or raisins, including inducing vomiting, stomach lavage (stomach pumping) and administration of activated charcoal, followed by intravenous fluid therapy for at least 48 hours or as indicated based on the results of blood tests for kidney damage.
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#1942693 - 05/15/08 03:59 PM
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Maybe Spirit was an herbivore in a previous incarnation.....
Dogs, like their close cousin the wolf, are described as "opportunistic omnivores," meaning they'll eat anything, whenever they can, wherever they find it.
Spirit is one of my "step-dogs," one of five Aussies Susanna brought into our marital home. Even Susanna agrees that my Border Collie, Bonnie, though not better loved, has learned better manners than the Aussies.
One night evening early in our marriage I heard growling and fussing coming from the living room. When I got up to investigate I discovered that Spirit had snagged a brand-new bag of apples (he loves apples) off the counter and was looking for a peaceful corner in which to woof it down. Bonnie, however, knowing as she does that snagging food off the counter is Against The Rules, was right on his butt giving him holy old hell. Laugh? I though I'd bust a gut.
Below a pic of Bonnie and Spirit about a year ago. Bonnie's on the top, Spirit at the foot of the stairs.
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#1942701 - 05/15/08 04:12 PM
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My dad used to grind up the vegetable peels and left overs from our meals into a gravy he put over their hard food which he said was healthy for them.....we did not have dogs dying left and right. I would never hurt an animal Doc..........unless of course it was to save a sofa LOL!!!! Still kidding.
LOL......I can understand that.
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#1942955 - 05/16/08 08:49 AM
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My wife is a veterinarian. It seems that I recall her talking about a recent study regarding the harm that raisins can do to dogs. There are chemicals in chocolate that are harmful, if not lethal, to dogs, but they would have to eat massive quantities at one time. She had a dog a few years ago (a lab, I think) that ate big bag of Hershey's Kisses, wrappers and all. The dog was OK, but had diahrrea(sp) for a while, and probably quite a stomach ache. I haven't heard her talk about any of the other stuff on the list being toxic to pets, though. I'll have to show her this list and get her comments.
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#1942971 - 05/16/08 09:12 AM
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The dog ate the Hershey's Kisses and got the Hershey's Squirts.
A bag of Hershey's would give me a stomach ache also.......yeuch!!
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