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#1940060 - 05/10/08 02:28 AM Get your hands off my freakin' gear!
Aidan
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What is it with audiences these days?

Yesterday, I did two solo spots over a wedding breakfast. When I break for the speeches, relaxing over a cool drink, I suddenly hear my piano being bashed (play was not the right verb here), so I put my head round the corner of the marquee to see that the second of the two best men has decided to sit down behind my FP-4 and fiddle around with it while the other gives his bit of the speech. Even a hard stare from my direction only stops him playing it - he continues to sit there like an idiot.

Fast forward to the evening band gig and again we're taking a break when, from the other side of the room, I perceive a young woman standing behind my now two-deck arrangement and pressing buttons on my Motif XS7 in the hope of playing Chopsticks on it. I zoomed over and not very politely told her to get out of there immediately, pointing out that she was fooling around with a piece of equipment that cost the best part of two thousand quid.

It's not as if this is "harmless fun", either. Last week, out with the same band, some idiot girl managed to break off the master volume fader on a 500 quid Mackie mixer (fortunately, not my property).

What is it with these people? Would it be OK for me to go outside and start playing with their cars?

It's got so bad recently that I'm at least thinking of making a couple of laminated "keep off" signs to stick on the boards during breaks.

How do the rest of you deal with crap like this?
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#1940066 - 05/10/08 03:13 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Aidan]
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Generally if I or any band member see someone getting on the stage, we very calmly ask them to leave carefully. If that doesn't work, then it's a bit more forcefully. Then if they refuse, it's with even more force and club personnel assistance.

Absolutely no one gets behind my kit without my permission. I'll even get a tiny bit perturbed when Mark, one of the guitar players, sits on my bench during breaks, even though I know he's not going to damage anything. That's my chair, my boards, my spot, and most importantly, my beer table. (Priorities)
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#1940069 - 05/10/08 03:35 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Mr. Nightime]
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Don't bother with "Keep Off" signs. I tried that....people who knew not to touch thought they were amusing, those who didn't care just ignored them.
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#1940074 - 05/10/08 04:12 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wjwilcox]
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Part of the problem here was that it wasn't a stage - we were just set up on one corner of the function room. I always mute instruments when I break, but I guess I'll have to try turning them off altogether, see if that helps.
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#1940075 - 05/10/08 04:17 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Aidan]
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I would say in the first case, playing that kind of function, somehow you can make it clear to the person who hires you that playing your gear isn't allowed, and that you bring it up because sometimes people get ideas at that kind of function. I hope that makes sense.

Generally, with drunks in bars and stuff, I don't know. They'll try to do what they want because they ain't thinkin'.

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#1940081 - 05/10/08 04:38 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Joe Muscara]
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I have never had anybody touch my boards while on break but have had people reach over the board from the dance floor to push the keys while I am playing. They are usually stumbling with a drink in their hands as they are reaching.
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#1940082 - 05/10/08 04:51 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Rovito]
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Really infuriating. Haven't had it happen in a long time, but this always worked for me: if I saw someone doing it, I'd walk up immediately and turn the keyboard off and firmly say "that's enough". I wouldn't be polite, but I wouldn't be rude either. Usually they 'sort of know' they're doing wrong, so no explanation is needed.

Otherwise, there's not much you can do. Unfortunately, telling the person who hires you that it isn't allowed won't stop some idiot or drunk from making a fool of himself.
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#1940083 - 05/10/08 04:53 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wjwilcox]
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 Originally Posted By: Aidan
What is it with these people? Would it be OK for me to go outside and start playing with their cars?

Absolutely. You should insist.

About 15 years ago, a very large biker sat down at the B3 when I snuck off to fetch a pint. He wasn't bad at all, but I still couldn't let it slide. I gave him a nudge and told him to either get lost or give me the keys to his Harley. He handed them over without hesitation, so I went for a ride while he played a few tunes. He didn't beat on the Hammond, I didn't beat on the Harley, and we both had a little fun making noise with each other's toys.

If you're driving a Toyota, that wouldn't float.
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#1940085 - 05/10/08 05:07 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Rovito]
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Not sure how much it will help - I have a couple of the Gator snap-on black cloth covers = I turn off the power amp, cover the gear.

Not the same environment - these are two keyboards that I leave at church. However, doing this has been quite effective in keeping kids from pushing all the buttons and twiddling with the knobs. The administration at the church is well aware that I don't want anyone else moving my gear, I'll do it myself when needed.

Maybe a color picture of a dead body in a pool of blood (like from a TV mystery) with the caption "Last person who meddled with my keyboard" left on top of the cover???? A Doberman on a short leash would be very effective, but would have its own problems.

Any time I'm playing out in public, someone in the band has the duty of staying with the gear and politely (at first) discouraging audience participation, unless the venue has security personnel and those personell take responsibility.

Might also be worthwhile to talk with the other band members and see if you all could rotate the duty of staying with the gear - I'm pretty sure that the drummer feels even more strongly they don't want someone messing with stuff. When I played bass, I didn't want anyone messing with it either.

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#1940094 - 05/10/08 05:37 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wmp]
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 Originally Posted By: wmp
 Originally Posted By: Aidan
What is it with these people? Would it be OK for me to go outside and start playing with their cars?

Absolutely. You should insist.

About 15 years ago, a very large biker sat down at the B3 when I snuck off to fetch a pint. He wasn't bad at all, but I still couldn't let it slide. I gave him a nudge and told him to either get lost or give me the keys to his Harley. He handed them over without hesitation, so I went for a ride while he played a few tunes. He didn't beat on the Hammond, I didn't beat on the Harley, and we both had a little fun making noise with each other's toys.

If you're driving a Toyota, that wouldn't float.



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#1940097 - 05/10/08 05:45 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: bloodyMary]
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I think that covering the gear is a very good idea. First,the covers are usually liquid proof, so even if anyone spills a drink over your board, it might be safe.

Second - if you get one of these covers which are tightened with a wire on the bottom, most people wouldn't want to go through uncovering the gear. It takes time, and even very ignorant/unpolite person would understand that they're not welcomed doing this.


Turning the gear off will only encourage people to look for the power switch. I guess leaving the volume fader up is even better - gives less desire to twist knobs, and also, there are chances that people don't want to be heard while pressing random keys..


Actually, if someone who can play (and his hands don't look dirty/greasy) would sit down to play my board, I wouldn't mind, as long as they don't do crazy palm smears or try to program my board \:\)
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#1940120 - 05/10/08 06:40 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: bloodyMary]
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One of my favorite ways to deal with this is to set the keyboard on "lock mode". The CP300 is the only keyboard I've had that can do this but when it is in lock mode no settings can be changed, patches can be changed, etc. So if I think some nut is going to sit down and play I just set it on a really nasty patch- like a sitar or glockenspeil- and lock it down. After 10 seconds of frustration they leave.
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#1940127 - 05/10/08 06:54 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Aidan]
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#1940134 - 05/10/08 07:04 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: bloodyMary]
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I try to remember to turn the power amp off and volume controls down. The power switch on my amp is on the back and not readily accessible, given the cables that drape over it and a crossbar from an amp stand I use. You really have to search for the power switch and must put your hand in a position such that it is difficult to find/turn on the switch.....sometimes I even have a hard time with it! Unfortunately, there will inevitably be periods where we must leave our rigs unattended, so we must largely resort to proactive, structural interventions (i.e., turning instruments/amps off, covers, signs, etc.). Of course, should an intrusive incident occur, a reactive verbal or nonverbal prompt/redirection placed in close temporal proximity to the intrusive event may substantially diminish the probability of such problem behavior recurring......
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#1940149 - 05/10/08 07:24 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wmp]
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 Originally Posted By: wmp
About 15 years ago, a very large biker sat down at the B3 when I snuck off to fetch a pint. He wasn't bad at all, but I still couldn't let it slide. I gave him a nudge and told him to either get lost or give me the keys to his Harley. He handed them over without hesitation, so I went for a ride while he played a few tunes. He didn't beat on the Hammond, I didn't beat on the Harley, and we both had a little fun making noise with each other's toys.


Ha, good one, made my day!
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#1940166 - 05/10/08 07:59 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wmp]
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 Originally Posted By: wmp
About 15 years ago, a very large biker sat down at the B3 when I snuck off to fetch a pint. He wasn't bad at all, but I still couldn't let it slide. I gave him a nudge and told him to either get lost or give me the keys to his Harley. He handed them over without hesitation, so I went for a ride while he played a few tunes. He didn't beat on the Hammond, I didn't beat on the Harley, and we both had a little fun making noise with each other's toys.


The part of that story that I can't quite comprehend is where you nudge the (very large) biker, and tell him to get lost or hand over keys. You've got bigger ones than me! I might try that with a very small, elderly, and frail biker.


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#1940184 - 05/10/08 08:35 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: floyd tatum]
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There's nothing new about audiences disrespecting your gear. It's always happened to me, going back to my early '80s gigs. The main thing I've always done, as has been referenced earlier, is to shut down the mains between sets, and make sure my drummer takes his sticks with him when we depart the stage. Otherwise, you get the inevitable moron who wants to suddenly resume his music career that he left off when he was eight years old, or the drunk-ass lady who thinks your singer's mic is a part of a public karaoke system.
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#1940185 - 05/10/08 08:42 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: SK]
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 Originally Posted By: SK
Really infuriating. Haven't had it happen in a long time, but this always worked for me: if I saw someone doing it, I'd walk up immediately and turn the keyboard off and firmly say "that's enough". I wouldn't be polite, but I wouldn't be rude either. Usually they 'sort of know' they're doing wrong, so no explanation is needed.
When what SK has suggested doesn't work for me (which almost invariable is the case in spite of my 6'2" 200+ lbs frame), I then resort to the old standby "Listen man, I go into McDonald's and f*ck with your fryer", or "Hey, I don't go down to the bathroom at bus station and slap the d*ck out of your mouth"

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#1940186 - 05/10/08 08:43 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Aidan]
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 Originally Posted By: Aidan
How do the rest of you deal with crap like this?
Sorry, that was a very unusual case. The guy could really play. He was a real nice guy who obviously had tremendous respect fot the instrument. He was having a blast and was most grateful to be able to swap a few miles for a few tunes. I enjoyed it too. Nice bike.

The typical bozo would have been summarily removed. It usually only takes a glance. Rarely more than glance with a syllable. AAAAAA or YO! Even that's very unusual. If you have to go beyond that, it's a waste of time to construct a whole sentence. Proceed directly to removal be force. Always use a little more force than necessary. Whatever it takes, make sure it's all over inside of five seconds with absolutely no discussion.

I leave my volume up on break so the whole place knows instantly if somebody touches my rig. It hasn't happened for many years.

 Originally Posted By: Aidan
Even a hard stare from my direction only stops him playing it - he continues to sit there like an idiot.
Intensify the stare and give him some sort of GFO gesture. If this doesn't work, move briskly in his direction and froth at the mouth a little. He'll be far away from your rig before you even get close.

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...pointing out that she was fooling around with a piece of equipment that cost the best part of two thousand quid
Too much talk. If you can't remove her with the evil eye, remove her without a word by occupying your space at your rig and forcing her out. You have to be gentle with the ladies, but your appoplectic facial expression should make it clear that you are very, very angry. No discussion about the price of gear. If you have to speak at all, say something like get away from my rig now and stay there. Froth at the mouth. You won't have to say it twice.

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It's got so bad recently that I'm at least thinking of making a couple of laminated "keep off" signs to stick on the boards during breaks.
Bad idea. This is not the sort of thing you want folks to process at an intellectual level. Folks need to have an instinctive, primal fear of touching your rig. Remember, no debate, no discussion. Language is a waste of time.

I'm afraid you've done a terrible job of establishing boundaries. You need to leave your volume up, set the trap, and make an example of some poor slob. Enjoy getting in touch with your inner psychopath, but not too much.
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#1940187 - 05/10/08 08:51 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: floyd tatum]
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 Originally Posted By: Floyd Tatum
The part of that story that I can't quite comprehend is where you nudge the (very large) biker, and tell him to get lost or hand over keys.

On his home turf with all his buddies. Some folks are just plain crazy.
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#1940275 - 05/10/08 11:59 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: wmp]
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wmp - one of the best stories I've heard!

I learned the lesson long ago, and the hard way: Unless it's presentad as a proper concert with a proper stage, etc., *always* make your keyboards 'unplayable' between sets (turn them and/or the amp off, unplug cables, etc.), *AND* cover them with something. Doing *both* things 'should' be enough to keep all idiots away.
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#1940288 - 05/10/08 12:33 PM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Moog_Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Moog_Man
One of my favorite ways to deal with this is to set the keyboard on "lock mode". The CP300 is the only keyboard I've had that can do this but when it is in lock mode no settings can be changed, patches can be changed, etc. So if I think some nut is going to sit down and play I just set it on a really nasty patch- like a sitar or glockenspeil- and lock it down. After 10 seconds of frustration they leave.



My Roland FP4 has this feature too. I think many other Roland DP's have it. Very cool, indeed.
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#1940327 - 05/10/08 02:25 PM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Moog_Man]
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 Originally Posted By: Moog_Man
One of my favorite ways to deal with this is to set the keyboard on "lock mode". The CP300 is the only keyboard I've had that can do this but when it is in lock mode no settings can be changed, patches can be changed, etc. So if I think some nut is going to sit down and play I just set it on a really nasty patch- like a sitar or glockenspeil- and lock it down. After 10 seconds of frustration they leave.

Better yet would be to have it trigger a sample, "Get off my f'in keyboard!"
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#1940444 - 05/10/08 08:55 PM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Moonglow]
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yes they should include that in the XG sound set for just this reason!

Edited by Moog_Man (05/10/08 08:56 PM)

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#1940461 - 05/10/08 10:54 PM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Moog_Man]
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I used to leave my boards at rehearsal (guys basement). His kids I presume would play with my boards so I strarted packing up the power cords and theat solved that.

As far as people on stage I have had very little problem maybe because I am not a small guy?
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#1940517 - 05/11/08 05:11 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: BluesKeys]
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You know that after-market car alarm system sound? It's like a collection of all the different siren noises from the last 50 years? Have a sample of that in there, and leave the kbd and amp turned up to 11.
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#1940594 - 05/11/08 07:37 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: floyd tatum]
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Great idea, Floyd. Or maybe, a tiger roar, at various pitches simultaneously, with distortion and delay.

Of course, when you go back onstage, you have to remember to load the correct sound for your next song... \:D
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#1941080 - 05/12/08 09:15 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: floyd tatum]
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 Originally Posted By: Floyd Tatum
You know that after-market car alarm system sound? It's like a collection of all the different siren noises from the last 50 years? Have a sample of that in there, and leave the kbd and amp turned up to 11.


Great idea, and have it sustain so that it doesn't turn off when you let go of the key.
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#1941106 - 05/12/08 09:58 AM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Phred]
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When we do the on-the-floor, no-stage type of functions, we always put a velvet rope in the contract rider. Every hall has access to one and they discourage people from crossing if they're set-up around the entire front of the performance area.

Originally, we started doing this because drunken dancers were bumping the down stage mic stands and knocking the mics into our teeth and/or horns.
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#1941353 - 05/12/08 08:26 PM Re: Get your hands off my freakin' gear! [Re: Blue JC]
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 Originally Posted By: Blue JC
When we do the on-the-floor, no-stage type of functions, we always put a velvet rope in the contract rider. Every hall has access to one and they discourage people from crossing if they're set-up around the entire front of the performance area.


We've taken to running a length of red LED "rope light" around the area we claim as our "stage" when we'e forced to play an "on the floor" gig. As cheesy as it sounds - it honestly doesn't look too bad - and actually seems to work as a "barrier" that at least slows folks down from coming "on stage".
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