#1939773 - 05/09/08 09:36 AM
Keyboard with Drum machines
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Kasu
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Any one know how drum machines works with a keyboard?...need a full lesson coz I have never study it before i am still studying SO i have several questions about it..I searched about this prob...but there isnt anything i found.I know this is little problem But i am confused!.so here are the probs: what is the most compatible drum machine with yamaha S900?Can i use anykind of drummachine with it?...When we create a style with style creater how it will play by d.machine?...can i make a style(beat) on keyboard including d.machine"s drum kits and tones?If can how?..What is the latest drum machines nowadays?....Waiting for any answers?
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#1939780 - 05/09/08 09:48 AM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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DeepEddieZilker
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Drum machines, opposing drum sound modules, have their own internal sequencer which can be synced, via MIDI, to start from an outside source and run simultaneously, in tempo, with any other sequences you have running. Most (if not all) drum machines, also, have the ability to have sounds triggered by externally running tracks or via live triggering from pads or, in your case, a keyboard.
If it were me, running the same set-up, I'd take advantage of the sequencer in the drum-machine and be mindful of which song/pattern was appropriate for the sequence I was playing and not run a drum sequence from the S900 to trigger drum sounds.
MIDI (Musical Instrument Digital Interface) is an industry protocol, meaning that a Yamaha can talk to an AKAI and the AKAI may be expected to behave dependent on the input it is receiving from the erstwhile device.
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#1939788 - 05/09/08 10:06 AM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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Kasu
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Thanks deepeddieziker...usually i want some eastern sounds like tabla also modern western drum kits.Will roland TD9 fulfill my needs?
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#1939804 - 05/09/08 10:22 AM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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DeepEddieZilker
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If I were going to recommend a Roland product, it would be the HPD15 - which, if memory serves the one time I managed to get my eager little hands on it, had a tabla sound. I also recommend looking at the Akai MPC series of drum machines.
There's a TON of machines out there and even some good virtual machines that can be run on a laptop - depending on your set up. For what you're saying you want to be able to do, I'm recommending the HPD15. It's on my wish-list!
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#1939982 - 05/09/08 06:52 PM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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Kasu
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Ok thanks deepe....Can you explain what are the differences between drum module & drum machine?
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#1940135 - 05/10/08 08:08 AM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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DeepEddieZilker
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Ok thanks deepe....Can you explain what are the differences between drum module & drum machine?
Drum modules have banks of sounds that can be triggered through either MIDI or direct connections to drum-pads (usually sold separately-but you can find bundles with the right dealer). The most widely known is the Alesis DM5 even though Roland has come along with their V-Drum which is a highly enhanced drum module that has a lot of capabilities that the DM5 doesn't have.
These two companies have been in the drum machine business for quite a while with Alesis's first drum machine, the HR16 and the latter HR16B competing in price with Roland's R8 and R8mkII, back in the late 80's and 90's. Roland, back in the 80's, was instrumental in getting the drum machine ball rolling along with a patented signature sound, with the TR808 - a drum machine that went discarded by mainstream musicians but was picked up by hip-hop producers and is most noticeable for that big, deep, solid, low frequency BOOOOOOOM! That sound has been copied in more platforms (both software and hardware) than is practical to list, here.
The essential distinction between the drum machine, which essentially supersedes the functions of a live drummer, and a drum module, which is predominantly marketed to drummers/percussionists (along with musicians such as keyboardists looking to enhance performances by taking on a dual role as percussionists), is that drum machines come with pattern based sequencers. To be fair, some drum modules also have sequencers but they aren't quite as sophisticated as those one finds on drum-machines.
A pattern is essentially a loop of a predetermined length. In simple 4:4 meter, a pattern can be 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32, 64, 128, 256 et al, beats long. Drum machines then have the ability to stack patterns consecutively in songs. An introduction might last for 8 measures, followed by new patterns which build into bridges, chorus's, and finales (depending on the style, of course) to fit the rest of a song's arrangement.
One might ask, if I can trigger sounds from an outside sequencer, why do I want or need a drum machine with its own internal sequencer? The answer to this has to do with the sad fact that MIDI is a serial interface and that in addition to being a serial interface making for awkward timing characteristics when multiple notes are transmitted to occur at the same time, the timing of MIDI sequences alone is flawed to such a degree that the more complex a sequence gets, the more timing errors are prone to occur. MIDI, being a serial interface, only transmits one event at a time. That means that, no matter how notes are played on a controller keyboard, the data received is received and processed one note at a time. Notes received by a synthesizer through MIDI are then triggered through the synthesis engine one at a time, but so rapidly that, psychoacoustically for the most part, they sound as though they have a simultaneous occurrence. Some machines with complex synthesis algorithms, using sounds, like piano, that have a fast attack response, are not as amenable to the desired effect, making for a crunchy or clanging, clashing sound as the synthesis engine interprets each event and then plays it more disjointedly because of complex analysis in conjunction with limited micro-processing resources - the older the synth, the more reported this undesired effect.
I've spent hours, in the studio, soloing tracks and building stem-tracks (essential combinations of individual tracks that are assembled in the final mix of a song) to compensate for cluttered timing issues. Artists such as BT have tediously edited the individual events of their audio tracks to compensate for timing issues. Such nuances often go unnoticed by novice producers who might maintain that timing errors go unnoticed - since they themselves don't notice it - but the essential truth is that timing flaws can interfere with the clarity and depth of a mix and can cause phase cancellation (when two sounds with similar characteristics have their wave forms out of phase to such a degree that their simultaneous occurrence causes the decibel level to drop considerably), phase modulation (when two sounds occur with similar phase characteristics that increases the decibel level and/or changes the characteristics of the individual sounds), and other psychoacoustic artifacts such as flanging - a form of phase modulation.
The upshot of all this is that, if you want dense parts for percussion, triggering them through MIDI isn't your best alternative. There are schools of thought that emphasize a benefit to a clunky, machine like sound. If that's what you're after, then going lo-fi might be a route to explore. If you're going for the human touch, however, your best bet is to get the real thing - a percussionist who can play tabla and actually has the instrument. If, however, you want to get the timing of a percussion sequence as spot on as you can, a drum machine that's not burdened with uploading notes from a MIDI buffer prior to their being announced at some ungodly loud decibel level on a club's PA speakers is your best bet.
Edited by DeepEddieZilker (05/10/08 08:13 AM)
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#1940518 - 05/11/08 06:13 AM
Re: Keyboard with Drum machines
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Kasu
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Thanks deep..i got a lot of things from your reply...thanks again
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