#1938935 - 05/07/08 08:54 PM
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Fumblyfingers
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This is not musical at all but just for those who like this kind of stuff.
Here are some pics from a rig I just put up last week. It is a green screen we had made that is 120' long and 15' high. We built it from scratch.... it hangs on 30 degree radius curved pipe in the corners and speedrail the rest. The actual rig ties into the grid above which we modified to be able to have points for the curved sections.
Directly below the rail are about 16 or so 8'L X 18"W pieces of 1-1/8th" thick plywood, which follows the radius and they're held down with about fifty 3/4" expansion sleeves drilled into the concrete and the wood is through bolted with 3/8th bolts.
The grommets in the ribbon of the screen are screwed down into the plywood with screws and fender washers. We then pulled up on the ties to stretch out the rag. The ply is also painted digital green.
My side pull cables were not in yet when I took the pics but that took all of the wrinkles out at the sides. Cool stuff. I had a crew of 4 on this for about a week on and off doing other things as well. We have been incredibly busy. I did a 14-1/2 hour day on Monday alone. Last week was a 6 day week at about 72 hours and this week will also be 72 or more hours.
Due to non disclosure stuff I cannot tell you anything about what scenes, locations, special effects etc etc will be done using the green screen so don't bother asking, I won't tell you....... I like my job.....well, I like the pay and the catering is pretty good.... LOL!!!!
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#1938943 - 05/07/08 09:16 PM
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hey, what's the green screen for? Just kidding!
Cool stuff.
Check out this rig:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxe-SWxDEcw
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#1938945 - 05/07/08 09:30 PM
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That is very cool Lister!!!  ok we will be looking for steps that go into something big and know that your guys made the steps and the whole rig!! thanks for sharing! it's cool to see this kind of thing, regular people would never see this sort of insider thing! I was wondering, on structural things like the design of the sets, do you have a mechanical engineer look over the structures for safety considerations or is this pretty much routine and that is not required?
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#1938948 - 05/07/08 09:51 PM
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Now that is neat. When it shows, are you goaing to let us know?
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#1938950 - 05/07/08 09:59 PM
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Sometimes we get involved in some really strange stuff, heh? Right now there are four movcies shooting here, and were I in better health....
But it is always fun to make the magic happen. I spent the day before yesterday testing the speakers for the perimeter of the local shed, yesterday rehersing the opera, and in the morning I'll be working on the play "West Side Story". Show business is a lot of things, including deathly boring at times, like when you've rigged a shot and you're waiting for it to happen. (or rehersing the opera...) But for me, it beats working for a living.
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#1939068 - 05/08/08 06:09 AM
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Looks cool, man. Say.. Out of interest, how do you get the lighting on the characters and props to blend with whatever is on the greenscreen?
Do the lighting guys have a screen showing them the full superimposed picture so they can adjust accordingly?
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#1939084 - 05/08/08 06:48 AM
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Very cool! 
Thanks for sharing !
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#1939092 - 05/08/08 06:56 AM
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That's really cool, Lister!
It's a wee bit more complex than the green screen I use to shoot event pictures on occasion. I mean, my rigging consists of a backdrop stand consisting of two (2) lightweight tripod stands with a three section pole mounted to the tops, augmented by heavy duty spring clamps that hold the green screen up. At 10' x 20' or so it's pretty big. But like I said, yours is slightly bigger and more difficult to set up.
OTOH, ours is portable and can be set up by one man (that would be me, possibly with the assistance of my friend and employer's 8 year old daughter) in about 5 minutes. 
So what's it gonna take for me to get a job on the set? (Despite the smiley, that's really NOT a joke.)
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#1939093 - 05/08/08 06:58 AM
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The grommets in the ribbon of the screen are screwed down into the plywood with screws and fender washers.
I prefer gibson washers. Flame on!
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My son is going into college for film & theater next year; his senior high school project is making a film and he's just had his first attempt at green-screening. Definitely did it on an amateur level, but it's fun watching him do it. If only he'd hire me to do the soundtrack; but parents aren't cool enough.
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#1939100 - 05/08/08 07:06 AM
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Ell yes we will from time to time have an engineer look at stuff for us. We have had them over here and at our other stage to give us a load rating on the ceiling structural...how much we can load it per sq.ft etc......yes we do not just do stuff we are unsure of.
Trucks the actors are lit pretty much normally and shot with the green screen behind them. There is no image on the green screen. In post production the background is matted on. Everything green is replaced with whatever footage they put behind there. Eg you could have a guy hanging on a chin up bar with a green screen below him and all around and have a camera pointing down at him from above. In post they could put footage they shot from the top of a building and matt in in and it would look like he was hanging 150 feet up or whatever, cars driving below, people walking etc etc.
Actually the stairs have nothing to do with the green screen, they were just being worked on in there for something else. That space gets used by everybody when the company is not filming in there. The painters needed space to paint them indoors so we let them set it up in there to do their work. I had to have their assurance no overspray would get on my rag though.
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#1939109 - 05/08/08 07:17 AM
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Fumbly - Did you do anything on the new Speed Racer movie? I believe virtually everything for that one was shot against a green screen.
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#1939157 - 05/08/08 08:25 AM
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I prefer gibson washers. Flame on!
LMAO!!
Neil all you need is your Local 80 card and all your Passport Safety Classes training and you are good to go. You will have to get 30 days on a Union show as a permit.....it might take a year or so to get the 30 days or it could be done in less than 2 months if town get's ridiculously busy and the hall starts allowing permits to come in. Of course the permits who are already on the books get preference......I got in on a show that turned.....it started non-union and the union turned it. I had already done a season so when it turned we got all our benefits backdated to day one which was nice.
Once you get 30 qualified days you pay your $4000 or so initiation fee and you are good to go baby!!! I will hire you any day.
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#1939210 - 05/08/08 09:59 AM
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Ell as far as the sets no, very seldom an engineer....our construction guys are really good. Where we will use an engineer is for anything to do with the building we are in like if we have to add a lot of weight to the ceiling by way of pipe grid, drilling into anything structural perhaps or if we go to another building if we have to add a significant amount of weight or any sort of stress to the structure. Then we will have an engineer pull the plans and give us load ratings and tell us what we can do where.
But just the sets we build on stage, no need for that.
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#1939257 - 05/08/08 11:16 AM
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#1939270 - 05/08/08 12:01 PM
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You would have to go to New York or Los Angeles to make money in this biz. Plan on a couple three lean years, $30K or less and 12-14 hour days....once you get in the union the money is fairly decent and the conditions better......workwise though you will need to make good contacts so you can keep working. Right now town is jumping.
POSSIBLE SAG/AFTRA strike looming in July......nobody wants to believe it will go.....not looking good right now.......
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#1939886 - 05/09/08 01:26 PM
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Ell as far as the sets no, very seldom an engineer.....
plus, the guidelines for rigging in our business is different than that of traditional construction... the safety ratings are different, for example. (much higher) It is difficult for someone to come in from another discipline and make the adjustment. Even the terminology differs from part to part of the business... a rigger in theatrical terms is not the same job as a rigger in movies and TV; and cables are different and called different things... you never see tweekos in the theater, and you don't see stingers on stage, and a stringer is two different things. (for example). Could drive a guy nuts. and as usual, left is right and right is left, down is forward, up is back, in is down, out is up.....
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