#1938604 - 05/07/08 10:44 AM
VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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MannyC
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Hey everyone!
anyone one own one of these amps and can give me the settings?
My beginner Ibanez is cheap but I'm curious about this since I saw a kid on youtube get very close to slash's sound with a line6 15w spider and an ibanez rg120.
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#1938650 - 05/07/08 11:52 AM
Re: VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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Zack Pomerleau
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I would assume using the AC30 setting or the UK70's would suffice.
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#1938672 - 05/07/08 12:40 PM
Re: VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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thx for replying. I've seen so many different settings it makes my head spin. Would u add any effects and what EQ settings are needed?
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#1938686 - 05/07/08 01:07 PM
Re: VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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Add some gain, maybe some compression?
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#1938688 - 05/07/08 01:09 PM
Re: VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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First off, I'd try the neck-pickup on your guitar, volume- and tone-controls (on the guitar) full-up.
* But, before you even plug in- play the lines of the intro-part to "Sweet Child O' Mine" "unplugged", on your electric, and experiment with where along the strings to pick, and how to pick, to best aproximate that tone. *
(Do a search for " YouTube Sweet Child O' Mine ", check out a loive/concert take of Slash and G&R playing it, and pay close attention to his hands, particularly his picking-hand.)
THEN, try some of the Marshall-styled models on that amp of yours, maybe with a little compression dialed-in (your samp does have that as a parameter, doesn't it? If not, no problem.) Cab sim/model? A 4x12, closed-back.
(EDIT: Back to Zack with the compressed attack! Glad to see that great minds- or atleast ours- think alike!)   
Go for a gainy enough overdriven/distorted sound that two or more strings played together will sound distorted, but single notes come out kinda chimey, depending partly on pick-attack.
Slightly reduced mids, but not too "sucked", and enough bass to give a little bit of a rounded bottom. Ample treble, but not to the point of shrillness. Tweak by ear to taste. (Chances are, whatever amp-settings Slash had dialed-in were set to also sound good with his bridge-pickup, as well. That's my guess, anyways.)
You're going for a classic "flutey" neck-pickup tone; if your Ibanez has a humbucker at the neck-position, you'll probably be halfway there, especially if it's a vintage-y, clear, lower-output type. If not- if it's a single-coil, or a hot metal monster, don't despair- much of this type of sound comes from using the neck-pickup, and the picking-attack of the player.
I bet Slash can still evoke the overall tone of the album-version's intro on a flat-top acoustic on somebody's porch! And, with a little practice and trial and eror, I bet you could, to.
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#1938749 - 05/07/08 03:08 PM
Re: VOX ad30vt - settings for Sweet Child Intro
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Cavean, we do have great minds, don't we? 
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#1939468 - 05/08/08 08:28 PM
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> B U M P < for MannyC...
Let us know how you make out there, keep us posted!
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#1939774 - 05/09/08 09:36 AM
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Hi!
I gotta tell you, one big problem I am having is that I cannot play loud in my apartment and apparently this voxad30vt likes to be cranked. So what happens is that at low vol, I can't hear the same tone as at the loud levels (as when i tried it at the guitar store where I bought it)
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#1939935 - 05/09/08 04:47 PM
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Doesn't it have an attenuator in the back to make the amp cranked but at lower volumes? Mine does.
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#1940111 - 05/10/08 07:28 AM
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Use the power knob on the back of the amp to back of the power so you can crank it. Use the 80's UK model (closest to the Marhsall that Slash uses). You'll need to set the Golume knob somewhere between 80 & 100% and the Gain knob in the same range to get close, then fine-tune everything from there. You'll definitely want to use the neck pickup, roll back the tone on your guitar just a tad also. I've got an AD30VT and I've gotten close to that tone by doing this.
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#1940952 - 05/12/08 06:47 AM
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Hello
Thx for the replies.
I'm starting to think part of the tone problem is my cheapo starter guitar. What type of guitars/pu's do you guys have?
thx otherstar - i will try playing around with those settings tonite
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#1941003 - 05/12/08 08:15 AM
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I doubt it's the guitar unless you have a single coil pu in the neck position. Having a humbucker in the neck position helps. I have mostly cheap guitars (under $600) and I can get it on most of them. I can't get real close to his tone with my Strat, but all of my other guitars either have a P90 or a humbucker in the neck position.
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#1941706 - 05/13/08 03:49 PM
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Hello
Otherstar, I do have a single coil p/u in the neck position. And I tried all the settings you suggested and the best I can get is a 'punchy' sound :-(
You may be right about having the humbucker on there
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#1941735 - 05/13/08 04:45 PM
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Hmmn, seems odd to me that you're having so much trouble with that!
Generally, you are well within the ballpark with the neck-pickup of most any electric-guitar...
While he used a Les Paul-styled guitar with humbuckers onnitt to record that (AFAIK), they weren't particularly hot or high-output or anything like that, they were most likely Seymour Duncan Alnico II Pro models...
Work on where and how you pick that part; seriously! Try lightly picking up near the neck-pickup, just before it...
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#1941834 - 05/13/08 08:05 PM
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yeah Slash had a Les Paul copy.
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#1941854 - 05/13/08 08:52 PM
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yeah Slash had a Les Paul copy.
That's no copy. Read the latest issue of GP and watch the video again.
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#1942039 - 05/14/08 07:10 AM
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FWIW- As for the "copy" vs. Gibson LP deal, it was GP that had originally stated that his main "LP" was in fact a custom-made guitar patterned after a vintage LP, and NOT made by Gibson (even though it said "Gibson" on the headstock), but by an independant luthier in CA.
FWIW, I don't know if I've read the newer article alluded to above. I'll have to look that up.
And- which video?
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#1942065 - 05/14/08 07:44 AM
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hi all
I wouldn't call it "having trouble" - it's probably good for a beginner to struggle with stuff that comes easy to you seasoned players. I don't mind it.
and I do appreciate your continued input
thx
yes, what video?
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#1942088 - 05/14/08 08:18 AM
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Hah! If by seasoned, you mean lots of garlic, cumin, curry, ginger, cayenne, jalapeņo, Chipotle, habaņero... sure, that's me to a "T"!
I'm a hack, really, I just love guitars and guitar music of all kinds and the feel and tone of playing any and all kinds of 'em. And I do love those neck-pickup tones, single-coil and humbucker.
I do hope I've been of at least a little help, though.
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#1942098 - 05/14/08 08:43 AM
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FWIW- As for the "copy" vs. Gibson LP deal, it was GP that had originally stated that his main "LP" was in fact a custom-made guitar patterned after a vintage LP, and NOT made by Gibson (even though it said "Gibson" on the headstock), but by an independant luthier in CA.
FWIW, I don't know if I've read the newer article alluded to above. I'll have to look that up.
And- which video?
I wasn't aware of the provenance of the LP. The article in the most recent GP could be read either way as being a copy of a '59 LP or a re-issue. It was an interview so it's hard to tell what Slash was really saying.
The video I was referring to was the video for Sweet Child of Mine. It sure looks like a real LP to me, the headstock is the same shape and all. Isn't Gibson kind of lawsuit happy about that kind of thing or am I wrong?
Of course, now he can play a real Gibson Slash signature model so whatever he played then is kind of irrelevant
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#1945830 - 05/21/08 10:03 PM
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D'OH! Uhmn- Manny C- you did mean the single-note lead-parts in the intro... right?
I was thinking about that, and it occurred to me that you might have meant chordal, rhythm parts...
If so, that could account for some of the trouble following settings and tips for one but wanting to sound like the other!
yeah Slash had a Les Paul copy. That's no copy. Read the latest issue of GP and watch the video again.
Yhup, it's a copy, or a little more accurately, a replica of a '59 Les Paul, right down to saying "Gibson" on the headstock; it may (or may not) have a "shaved" neck, or more of a 1960-style neck-shape, which is Slash's preference.
As it turns out, it was made by the late Chris Derrig, who passed on in 1986. There's also been a Kris Derrig, also apparently somebody named Max (Derrig?) who makes guitars, and some interviews where Slash apparently erroneously or deliberately evasively referred to it's having been made by someone named "Max Foot". Hence the confusion and difficulty getting any results from on-line searches...
OK, as far as what guitar was played on the Appetite for Destruction sessions- here it is, from that very same interview-
As published by Guitar Player-magazine:
"By the time we went in to record Appetite for Destruction, I had a B.C. Rich Warlock, a Jackson Firebird, and a Jackson prototype archtop Strat-style guitar, and, for the first time, I got to hear them all miked up, and they sounded f**king horrible. I didn't know what to do.
Luckily, the day before I came back in the studio to redo all my parts, I got this impeccable '59 Les Paul copy with period-perfect hardware, a perfect set-up, and Seymour Duncan Alnico IIs."
Is that '59 replica still your main guitar?
"It has been for years, but I'm finding now that when it comes down to it, I do have a few other guitars that I can actually record with."
But, he also says later in the same interview:
"My two best Les Pauls are the Standards I bought brand new in 1988. I've used one as my main stage guitar, and the other as a backup for all these years."
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