#193761 - 07/18/03 01:18 AM
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I saw an exposee on the Chuch of Scientology today on the Biography channel. They had alot of people making interesting claims about it; Whether or not it was some weird cult or not.
I never really thought much about it. But I do remember all of the commercials I saw for that Dianetics book that L. Ron Hubbard wrote.
I was also reminded that John Travolta is a member of the church(remember Battlefield Earth? I think Hubbard wrote that), along with Kirsty Ally and Isaac Hayes. That reminded me that I recall reading in the liner notes of a Chick Corea album where he was praising L. Ron Hubbard for inspiration or something.
Discussion begins now...
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#193762 - 07/18/03 01:42 AM
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Corin Nemec, that dude who played Parker Lewis (in Parker Lewis Can't Lose), is also a Scientologist...
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#193763 - 07/18/03 01:56 AM
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The web site sucks... very cheesie music:
http://www.scientology.com/
However, besides of a very imaginative novelist, Hubbard seems -to me- to be a very intelligent person and to my tastes, it's the religion (cult, sect, whatever you want to call it) with the most "realistic" answers. They have a very well structured idea of "life beyond death" and the origin of life in earth -way more interesting than what the Bible says..-.
However, once you get DEEP into their beliefs, you will find there's yet something unexplainable, miesteious, so-called FAITH.
Faith in something you can not see, or know for sure... you will only know until you're dead and when that happens, all the questions about any religion are answered for that person... or not at all and we just turn into dust.
I mean, in the rock bottom, there's something none can explain, so you must BELIEVE... then Scientology it's so similar to all other religions in a certain way.
If I had to choose a religion, since I am a Science lover, Musician and Engineer and need answers, It would be this one... or the Raelians...  I believe in extra-terrestrial life. Scientologists too ! 
However I am not in the urge... yet.
Read a little about them... interesting if you dare to open your mind.
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#193764 - 07/18/03 02:01 AM
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Gus.... back away from the computer veerryyy slowly.
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#193765 - 07/18/03 04:04 AM
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Gus, when you finally do decide to take a closer look at Scientology, don't forget to look at this site too.
I know, don't judge a book by it's cover, but something about this cult (and it IS a cult) doesn't smell right.
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#193768 - 07/18/03 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by Jotown:
Well it is no more of a cult than the catholic church. Just smaller.
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#193769 - 07/18/03 04:39 AM
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Originally posted by GusTraX: [
And about Chick Corea, just read THIS
Apropos Chick Corea, there are many celebrity members of Scientology, Tom Cruise, John Travolta, Priscilla Presley, and I believe Lisa Marie Presley too, to name a few. They are the best publicity for the sect, and get treated like royalty of course.
Do some research on the " Sea Org ", and tell me that this isn't scary? Is it just a fabrication? Maybe, maybe not.
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#193770 - 07/18/03 07:59 AM
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some call it $cientology
the midichloridian thing they used to explain the force in star wars sounds a lot like the scientology creation story. that we all have remains of apu or tatu or whatever that evil man that blew up in a volcano billions of years ago is called.
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#193771 - 07/18/03 09:29 AM
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No, why do you ask?
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#193772 - 07/18/03 10:29 AM
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If a person wants to believe rabbits created earth, to each his own, religion is a personal issue and I try to stay away from judging people on their religion, sometimes its hard, really hard with the southern Bible thumpers.
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#193773 - 07/18/03 10:38 AM
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When I lived in Boston, these guys were on like every street corner, encouraging you to take one of their personality tests. Religion is, as many posters have stated, a personal issue. Many regard Catholicism as a cult (talk to a baptist about Catholics some time  )
I do remember a quote from L Ron Hoover saying something to the extent of "The best way to make a lot of money is to start your own religion".
Battlefield Earth, BTW, may be challenging Plan 9 from Outer Space for worst movie ever made. Shame on you, John Travolta
Oh, heres another interesting tidbit. There was a rumor going around years ago that Chick Corea got booted out of Berklee for selling dope.
Or did he?
Discuss!
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#193774 - 07/18/03 10:47 AM
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In my later twenties I was experimenting with all types of things, Yoga, etc. and I tried out the Scientology stuff after reading "Dianetics". My first session was rather rough, I don't think its quite hypnosis as I was encouraged to do most of the talking. The "counselor" was trying to bring me back to a time where I fell and hit my head as a child. Well, once the session was finished I walked out of the building, and my skin crawled....it was NIGHTTIME! My session started at one in the afternoon and I could've sworn I wasn't in there more than an hour or so. Well, that was $700 right there... The next session they told me about a new device that streamlines the session process, I looked at it and it was two tin cans wired to an old-style galvanometer, you'd hold a can in each hand as you talked and the "counselor" would guide you by watching the needle. Of course this "advanced" procedure was, if I remember correctly, $600/hour!! At that point I smelled a rat and walked out.
What was scary was how they continued to hound me with letters and phone calls. I was full-time regular Air Force then and moving quite often, every time I'd move into a new house I'd have another welcome letter from the local "church" within a week. When I moved to North Dakota I went to a two-month tech school en route, didn't have a permanent address for four months so they finally lost track of me.
I first became interested in it because of Chick Corea's praises. I'd be careful if I were you.
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#193775 - 07/18/03 11:58 AM
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its seems a few people here at least know about it. Aside from "what hapened" what is teh premice of the scientology, .. like what is the core set of beliefs.
Me I am looking in to buddisum, seems like a nice peacefull life. -plese don't let that last comment distract from the rest of the converstion though.
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#193777 - 07/18/03 12:52 PM
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Ooh boy. Bad news. I knew several people in L.A. who were sucked into it really bad. Botch's story sounds pretty familiar, it seems they are basically out to rob people of all their money. The people I knew were pretty much selling everything they owned to pay to get to the "next level" at the church.
My dad worked with a guy who was a particularly hard case, he'd had a good job, was a mature guy with retirement savings, etc. And he ended up giving ALL of it to the church. And not really willingly, in the sense of the Buddhist who renounces all their belongings for a spartan lifestyle or anything. It was basically extortion. My dad asked him one day why he didn't just quit the church, and the guy said "Well, it's not that easy." He said they'd threatened him and that he shouldn't even be discussing it with anyone.
I'd heard similar tales from other people, and while I could believe that some of them were just making excuses for why they couldn't get their lives together, I don't feel that way about this guy. I used to walk by their headquarters in Hollywood sometimes too, and get really creeped out by the people soliciting with "personality tests." Yikes.
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#193778 - 07/18/03 01:01 PM
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While I worked at M&K Sound, we got a call from the Church of Scientology asking to buy some ungodly number of subwoofers. The fact that they needed 100+ (don't remember the exact number) 400-Watt-dual-12"-subwoofers, seemed strange... ... Maybe even scary... Mind you that each of the subwoofers they wanted retailed for $2899.00, so money doesn't seem to be an issue with them.
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#193780 - 07/18/03 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Mr. Wow:
[QB]If a person wants to believe rabbits created earth, to each his own, ...QB]
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#193781 - 07/18/03 02:38 PM
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ive got little time for Hollywood endoresed religions.
i guess i fall back on "what feels right" and "what would i like happen to me?" and more often then not all is well
if you want to read a good little novel with obvious sideswipes at Scientology read "The Ecstacy Club". i should warn however it IS set in a english rave culture but isnt too over the top with PLUR rubbish. some of you "old guys" might get a chuckle at the insight into "youth culture" from the 90's.
and anyway, ive done martial arts since childhood, have been to catholic schools, agnostic universities full of annoying marxists, and work at a place that has some Amway nutters so theres a mix for you!
i dont think any new "religion" can be serious... as we are now just picking and choosing from existing religions.
someone something to the affect of "religion shouldnt be about beliefs... beliefs are too hard to change, religion should be about ideas"
that might have been Terry Pratchett (the hilarious author) if im not mistaken
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#193782 - 07/18/03 02:59 PM
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I don't think it's a Hollywood-induced religion, is it? In either case, I've had several friends get into it, and they both had a personality shift that most people would not describe as very positive (they became more demanding and pushy and less thoughtful). When they "extricated" themselves from Scientology, they complained about getting "sucked into" Scientology and them taking their money. This is the only experience I've had - and of course, I didn't have the experience directly, so it's still a little difficult to fully judge it. However, I'd be really wary all the same.
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#193783 - 07/18/03 03:31 PM
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Scientology is just more tepid, platitudinous gnosticism, with the catch that you pay your way to the higher planes. In my humble opinion, that is .
Hubbard gives gnosticism a bad name.
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#193784 - 07/18/03 03:31 PM
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Scientology is a destructive sham, that isn't even opinion it is fact. There is plenty of information out there on the 'net about their corrupt practices. There have been huge internet wars where the Scientologists have tried to destroy everything in their path to prevent 'secret' documents from being published which describe the true behind the scenes details about what they do. Scary stuff.
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#193785 - 07/18/03 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by Salvyr:
Scientology is a destructive sham, that isn't even opinion it is fact. There is plenty of information out there on the 'net about their corrupt practices. There have been huge internet wars where the Scientologists have tried to destroy everything in their path to prevent 'secret' documents from being published which describe the true behind the scenes details about what they do. Scary stuff.
Throughout history, people have done some nasty things in the name of religion...
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#193787 - 07/18/03 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Addix Metzatricity:
But haven't the Catholics, Christians, Muslims, etc. done that at one time or another in the past? Anyone remember the Spanish Inquisition? The Salem Witch Trials? The Crusade?
Throughout history, people have done some nasty things in the name of religion...
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#193788 - 07/18/03 03:59 PM
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How about "Quanza"(sp) , I heard it was created in 1965. Is this true?
They all start somewhere and they are usually viewed as weird in the beginning.
What did David Koresh(sp) do to be blown up and burned to death?
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#193789 - 07/18/03 04:00 PM
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#193790 - 07/18/03 04:06 PM
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As said before. http://WWW.XENU.NET
And to make sure no scientologists ever can read this page:
XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU XENU
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