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#1936468 - 05/03/08 12:21 PM RD700GX versus S90ES
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I've just played for a while in local GC on a new RD700GX and I must say the key's touch and action are outstanding, almost like real thing. It maybe worthy to buy it just for that.

Unfortunately though grand piano and EPs sounds didn't change much from previous model and I still prefer S90ES piano way more. That's disappointing.
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#1936477 - 05/03/08 12:46 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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 Originally Posted By: delirium
I've just played for a while in local GC on a new RD700GX and I must say the key's touch and action are outstanding, almost like real thing. It maybe worthy to buy it just for that.

Unfortunately though grand piano and EPs sounds didn't change much from previous model and I still prefer S90ES piano way more. That's disappointing.


you can prefer the s90es

'grand piano and EPs sounds didn't change much ' ? Did you own the SX ?

Probably not
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#1936480 - 05/03/08 12:55 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: GregC]
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I did a careful side by side headphone comparison with the S90-ES and the RD-700GX. The action and the pianos on the RD-700GX blew away the S90-ES. The S90ES piano sounded and felt like old digital technology (single samples transposed across groups of keys). The RD-700GX newly improved "Superior Grand" sounds and behaves more like a real piano, every note was individually sampled. The ivory key feel of the RD-700GX alone made it feel better than the S90ES with its slick plastic keys.
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#1936485 - 05/03/08 01:12 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I did a careful side by side headphone comparison with the S90-ES and the RD-700GX. The action and the pianos on the RD-700GX blew away the S90-ES.


as for the action I agree, probably the best on the market today.
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#1936486 - 05/03/08 01:12 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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So is the SRX-12 rhodes not part of the GX soundset? Just wondering if I should get a SRX card?
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#1936487 - 05/03/08 01:14 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The RD-700GX newly improved "Superior Grand" sounds and behaves more like a real piano, every note was individually sampled. The ivory key feel of the RD-700GX alone made it superior to the S90ES with its slick plastic keys.


I think the Expressive Grand is the one where each individual note is sampled.. the Superior (which I prefer) is standard sample every 3-4 keys and 3 velocity layers I think...

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#1936489 - 05/03/08 01:19 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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 Originally Posted By: delirium
I've just played for a while in local GC on a new RD700GX and I must say the key's touch and action are outstanding, almost like real thing. It maybe worthy to buy it just for that.


"It maybe" worthy is the key phrase for you, I think , and many others who will face this decision. Some like me will highly favor the RD, but as you probably know - the overall bang for the buck award still would go to the S90 ES -- you've really got an all-in-one sound machine plus a piano that you really like.

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#1936492 - 05/03/08 01:32 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: raddtunes]
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Every note of the "Superior Grand" was individually sampled. Two years ago when the "Superior Grand" debuted it was widely publicized that every note was individually sampled. The "Superior Grand" samples are in the RD-700GX, RD-700SX, FP7, FP4 and SRX-11 card. The SRX-12 card features a Rhodes that has had every note individually sampled. It is only on the SRX-12 and not in any GM set. Where have you been the last couple of years? \:\)

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#1936499 - 05/03/08 01:49 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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well, for me still is more important what I hear then what is written in specification. If I knew that RD700GX was individually sampled etc, maybe I'd have different impressions? ;\)

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#1936501 - 05/03/08 01:51 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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I can hear the difference.
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#1936505 - 05/03/08 02:01 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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BTW, S90ES has no longer the best piano sound for me anyway. New PCX3 it's the one, but again the action... Why can't be the one instrument with great action, great piano and great rhodes ?

I'll end up probably replacing S90ES with GX just for the action for which I care a lot. It should make good combo with my motif XS6 (which has great piano and EPs)
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#1936512 - 05/03/08 02:09 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Every note of the "Superior Grand" was individually sampled. Two years ago when the "Superior Grand" debuted it was widely publicized that every note was individually sampled. The "Superior Grand" samples are in the RD-700GX, RD-700SX, FP7, FP4 and SRX-11 card. The SRX-12 card features a Rhodes that has had every note individually sampled. It is only on the SRX-12 and not in any GM set. Where have you been the last couple of years? \:\)



Interesting... I haven't really been into Roland since 1990s.. so I'm catching up here... I tried the 700SX out in 2005/06 or something and thought it was horrible... but it must have been setup wrong in the shop...



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#1936517 - 05/03/08 02:21 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I did a careful side by side headphone comparison with the S90-ES and the RD-700GX. The action and the pianos on the RD-700GX blew away the S90-ES. The S90ES piano sounded and felt like old digital technology (single samples transposed across groups of keys). The RD-700GX newly improved "Superior Grand" sounds and behaves more like a real piano, every note was individually sampled. The ivory key feel of the RD-700GX alone made it superior to the S90ES with its slick plastic keys. Plugging a Roland SRX-12 Rhodes card into a RD-700GX will trump the Rhodes in any Yamaha, Nord, Kurzweil, or anything else in hardware.


I am glad you posted this. I was thinking the same- that I should keep my SRX12. That should nicely complete what the GX already has
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#1936518 - 05/03/08 02:21 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: orangefunk]
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[/quote]

Interesting... I haven't really been into Roland since 1990s.. so I'm catching up here... I tried the 700SX out in 2005/06 or something and thought it was horrible... but it must have been setup wrong in the shop...

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I had the same thing happen, tried another 700sx about 9 months later and walked out with one with srx12.

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#1936521 - 05/03/08 02:28 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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 Originally Posted By: delirium
BTW, S90ES has no longer the best piano sound for me anyway. New PCX3 it's the one, but again the action... Why can't be the one instrument with great action, great piano and great rhodes ?

I'll end up probably replacing S90ES with GX just for the action for which I care a lot. It should make good combo with my motif XS6 (which has great piano and EPs)




I take it you mean the PC3X, not PCX3. The PC3X piano samples are the PC2X piano samples. I sold played a PC2X for about two years then sold it 5 years ago. The "Superior Grand" has been the biggest advance since I began playing digital pianos 20 years ago.

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#1936522 - 05/03/08 02:36 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: orangefunk]
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 Originally Posted By: orangefunk
 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
Every note of the "Superior Grand" was individually sampled. Two years ago when the "Superior Grand" debuted it was widely publicized that every note was individually sampled. The "Superior Grand" samples are in the RD-700GX, RD-700SX, FP7, FP4 and SRX-11 card. The SRX-12 card features a Rhodes that has had every note individually sampled. It is only on the SRX-12 and not in any GM set. Where have you been the last couple of years? \:\)



Interesting... I haven't really been into Roland since 1990s.. so I'm catching up here... I tried the 700SX out in 2005/06 or something and thought it was horrible... but it must have been setup wrong in the shop...



I think the same thing happened to me as well. When I tried the 700sx at GC with nice studio monitors for some reason it sounded really weak. So I got the CP300. I have gone back recently and tried it again and it sounded worlds better. though I still think the CP300 is superior.

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#1936525 - 05/03/08 02:49 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+


I take it you mean the PC3X, not PCX3. The PC3X piano samples are the PC2X piano samples. I sold played a PC2X for about two years then sold it 5 years ago. Then I played a P250 for two years, then a Kawai, and then with relief switched to Roland digital pianos. The "Superior Grand" has been the biggest advance since I began playing digital pianos 20 years ago, I started with Kurzweil's and Roland's first models.



yeah, I meant PC3X. I always mix that stupid name. I guess it's normal to fluctuate between different keyboards models as we get used to one sound for too long. Somehow RD series although very good never got me a WOW factor as S90ES and PC3X did. Maybe just matter of personal taste.
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#1936527 - 05/03/08 03:21 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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I just got the pc3x, it's a stunning do everything very well board, grand piano sounds more detailed on my roland 700sx though but thats about it. (this can work against you depending on what music you are using it for) It's all personal taste as usual.
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#1936574 - 05/03/08 06:39 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: cdkey]
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I'm very interested in this comparison between the RD700GX and the S90ES. I played both at guitar center the other day. The RD700GX definitely beats the S90ES in terms of piano but I want what Yamaha's marketing says "Is the S90 ES an 88-note weighted action digital piano with the sonic flexibility of a synth or a synthesizer with the best sounding piano samples ever available? Actually, it's the perfect balance of both." The question is ...is that true.

What I would like to know since I'm just learning about keyboard/digital piano tech is can either or both of these do the following task:

I would like to load drum samples I already have into these instruments and map them to any key that I want. I actually would like to map the same snare drum sound to two adjacent keys so I can play the drum by using both hands.

Thanks.

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#1936581 - 05/03/08 06:53 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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one more thing, strange but in GC RD700GX and RD700SX were standing side by side and the difference on price was about 150$ only.
That would explain that except the new keybed, some cosmetics and audio key future there are not that many changes from previous model.
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#1936611 - 05/03/08 08:40 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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 Originally Posted By: delirium
as for the action I agree, probably the best on the market today.


I'll go one step further and say that the action on the RD700GX is DEFINITELY the best on the market today -- by a wide margin.

And I'm an S90ES guy who bought that board in large part because I preferred its action over the RD700SX.

The action on the new RD700GX is leagues better than it was on the SX, and those "ivory feel" keys are incredible.

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#1936624 - 05/03/08 09:32 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: NoahZark]
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I go even another step further and say that the "Superior Grand" in the RD-700GX is the best piano sound in hardware today. And that the Rhodes in the add on SRX-12 Expansion Board is the best Rhodes simulation in hardware.
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#1936634 - 05/03/08 10:01 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
I go even another step further and say that the "Superior Grand" in the RD-700GX is the best piano sound in hardware today. And that the Rhodes in the add on SRX-12 Expansion Board is the best Rhodes simulation in hardware.


let's not go too far though...gasoline is so freaking expensive these days

As what I've heard so far either piano and EPs in Motif XS are a lot nicer to my ears then on RD700GX. In fact EPs on XS are just stunning.
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#1936653 - 05/03/08 11:56 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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The Rhodes in the Roland SRX-12 Expansion Board add on.
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#1936693 - 05/04/08 05:59 AM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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If the XS rhodes is the same as the one as in the Motif I would agree it has a great character (I think the best yet)... however after a while it becomes tiresome to hear the switching... also sustained chords aren't so nice.. but for choppy playing and soloing it sounds great
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#1936699 - 05/04/08 06:11 AM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Jazz+]
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 Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The Rhodes in the Roland SRX-12 Expansion Board is the best Rhodes simulation in hardware.


I'm talking about integral keyboard sounds not some additional piece of hardware...

XS has some older EPs along with some completely new, all together with included VCM effects gives those EPs celestial character. Go to GC and listen to some EP performances on XS. I was also roland rhodes lover until I heard XS.

Roland as usually expects us to buy a keyboard and then bunch of hardware to make it work...
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#1936755 - 05/04/08 08:42 AM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: delirium]
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Hey D,

I'd hold off on that purchase. The S90XS may be right around the corner.
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#1936792 - 05/04/08 10:28 AM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: SilverDragonSoun]
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Some nice contributions in this thread. As tempting as it is to get a PC3X or 700GX, I'm holding off on any major DP purchase/upgrade until those new samples become available for the Nord Stage.
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#1936845 - 05/04/08 12:22 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: Moonglow]
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 Originally Posted By: Moonglow
Some nice contributions in this thread. As tempting as it is to get a PC3X or 700GX, I'm holding off on any major DP purchase/upgrade until those new samples become available for the Nord Stage.


+1

I'm also encouraged by the fact that all the Stage pianos will be available in mono.

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#1936867 - 05/04/08 01:22 PM Re: RD700GX versus S90ES [Re: SilverDragonSoun]
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 Originally Posted By: SilverDragonSoun
Hey D,

I'd hold off on that purchase. The S90XS may be right around the corner.


yeah, but since I have motif XS I don't want to double my sound set, besides I don't like yamaha action too much. It's OK but too sluggish for me. I really like that ivory feel on RD700GX...
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