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Loverboy was one of the best.
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#1936332 - 05/03/08 06:49 AM
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I don't think of Aerosmith as a hair metal band.
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#1936333 - 05/03/08 07:05 AM
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Some of those acts have no business on that list.
Winger deserves better. Those guys were as much image hounds as anyone but they could definitely play.
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#1936345 - 05/03/08 07:25 AM
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I wouldn't exactly call Ozzy hair metal either. I mean, he and a couple of guys in Birmingham, England practically invented metal in the mid 60s when the rest of his peers where "hippying out". They definitely weren't following the pack then.
And on his own he wasn't following the pack either. While hair metal bands came and went... he went through the entire period doing his own thing on his own terms (or on Sharon Osbourne's terms.. LOL).
No... Ozzy (love him or hate him) doesn't deserve to be in this list. He's in a league all his own.
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#1936360 - 05/03/08 07:47 AM
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Typical BS lists. Any list that puts NY Dolls on the best (they completely sucked on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert) and Dokken on the worst probably thinks Eminem is a genius.
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#1936388 - 05/03/08 09:01 AM
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Van Halen kind of invented it didn't they? But more as a joke, then everyone copied them. Bands like Aerosmith just conformed to sell records.
Lee mentioned Loverboy, I actually dig that guitarist. I was listening to that song 'Turn me Loose' on the radio a few months back and his rythm tone is AMAZING, awesome feel too. TOTAL Marshall. But that singer can belt it out. Can't say I liked every song by them.
Night Ranger was another one. I didn't like them too much but enough to have bought Dawn Patrol when I was like 12.
The guitarists were a good shred duo at the time. I also thought it was cool that one of them used a les paul and a Marshall and the other one used a strat styled guitar (with humbucker) through a Mesa Boogie.
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#1936395 - 05/03/08 09:17 AM
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I wouldn't exactly call Ozzy hair metal either. I mean, he and a couple of guys in Birmingham, England practically invented metal in the mid 60s when the rest of his peers where "hippying out". They definitely weren't following the pack then.
And on his own he wasn't following the pack either. While hair metal bands came and went... he went through the entire period doing his own thing on his own terms (or on Sharon Osbourne's terms.. LOL).
No... Ozzy (love him or hate him) doesn't deserve to be in this list. He's in a league all his own.
+1000 I would agree with all of what you say, HT. I've never been a huge Ozzy fan, some of his stuff I really like, some I could do without, but he definitely did it his way, not following any pack. And he's still around, and relevent to the music scene IMHO. 20 years from now, we will still know who he is, unlike about 90% of what is out now.
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#1936396 - 05/03/08 09:18 AM
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I wouldn't exactly call Ozzy hair metal either. I mean, he and a couple of guys in Birmingham, England practically invented metal in the mid 60s when the rest of his peers where "hippying out". They definitely weren't following the pack then.
And on his own he wasn't following the pack either. While hair metal bands came and went... he went through the entire period doing his own thing on his own terms (or on Sharon Osbourne's terms.. LOL).
No... Ozzy (love him or hate him) doesn't deserve to be in this list. He's in a league all his own.
+1000 I would agree with all of what you say, HT. I've never been a huge Ozzy fan, some of his stuff I really like, some I could do without, but he definitely did it his way, not following any pack. And he's still around, and relevent to the music scene IMHO. 20 years from now, we will still know who he is, unlike about 90% of what is out now.
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#1936498 - 05/03/08 01:48 PM
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Some good musicians gone bad. Reb Beach amazing guitarist, bad timing in making it big , three years earlier and he would be up there with VH in respect. Ozzy is on the list only because he attracted a crossover crowd. KISS ( i personnally do not like em) but they invented musical branding everything from Kiss dolls to Kiss makes what ever type of music is selling(rock,disco,hard edge ect..). Lists are from people who never tried hard enuff to make it so they assume its easy to stick to your guns, but if they drove a dump truck full of 20 doallar bills to your house you would probably do country rap for an album.
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#1936504 - 05/03/08 02:00 PM
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#1936506 - 05/03/08 02:01 PM
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#1936559 - 05/03/08 05:15 PM
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Hair metal bands... what a great topic and era!!!
What is up with the blogger, Rob O'Connor? He looks like he survived the era but didn't he learn anything??? Just because a band is active in the 80s, and its members have higher hair and wear more makeup than most of my girlfriends from back then did, does NOT qualify them as HAIR METALS BANDS.
19. Loverboy... These guys were not hair or anything else- metal. They were a commercially successful arena-style rock band. Catchy songs, hard rock sounding guitars, a little synth to soften things up and a look that sold. Loverboy and MTV were made for each other! I actually liked this band for what they were back then.
17. Bon Jovi... This band is Loverboy on steroids! They came along a bit after them and took that style to a whole new level. Yeah they were making lots of hits in the hair-metal era but these guys are not metal at all. Have to like the Jon/Richie combo and cannot deny their talent, longevity and success. Heck, my wife likes Jon 'till this day! And I've been playing "Wanted Dead or Alive" on acoustic since the late 80's!!!
12) Scorpions... This band existed in the mid-60s... back when I and most hair metal players were either still in diapers or not even a thought in their parents' minds! These guys are hard rock, maybe heavy metal - just 'cause they had big success in the 80s does not make them hair metal.
9) Spinal Tap... As most agree, a great and funny movie, even had some good songs. but even if they were a real band, they aren't hair either.
6) Kiss... Not a tough one at all - NOT hair metal. They were my first favorite rock back back in the mid-70s when I was 13 or so. KISS ALIVE - what an album. No such thing as hair metal just yet. Yeah they continued into the 80s and even have hair metal players in the band - Vinny Vinent - but no KISS is not hair metal.
5) Aerosmith... These guys are America's Led Zepplin. Yeah they rose like a Pheonix in the 80s to great commercial success and had lots of hair, but these guys are 70's hard rock, not hair metal or any other metal either no matter what sound they "charted" with in the 80s.
3) New York Dolls: Arguably the god-fathers of the 70s punk scene. These guys were glam yes, influence the later hair-metal rockers, yes. But they are NOT hair metal or any other metal either.
2) Van Halen... Yes these guys were part of that whole LA scene back in the mid/late 70s and are most likely the catalyst that created hair metal, but these guys are pure hard rock to nth degree.
1) Guns n' Roses... Right or wrong, this is my pet-peeve... GnR are NOT hair-metal. These guys come from the same places as LA GUNS, etc. but they are descendants straight from NY DOLLS and AEROSMITH plus most of 70s hard rock. These guys single-handedly ENDED the hair metal era.
Ozzy... This is questionable. Yeah I agree w/ HT, Black Sabbath, invented heavy metal in the lat 60's, etc. But Ozzy was a whole new entity in the 80s. VH1 set the world of guitar playing on fire again, but somehow RR made a mark soon after w/ Ozzy's Blizzard. I think the Ozzy, the solo artist of the 80's does qualify somewhat as hair metal. Heck, most of his band members were not his contemporaries but really hair-metal generation players. Didn't RR and Sarzo come from Quiet Riot???
But to me, for better or worse, MOTLEY CRUE should get the number 1 HAIR METAL BAND spot. These guys typified what hair-metal is, back then and today!!!
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#1936595 - 05/03/08 07:38 PM
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Haven't looked at the list, but I agree with the call on Winger. They had real chops.
I think Ratt had something to offer as well, but they got swept under the rug when the trend turned to Seattle and Cobain.
I don't think you can place the originators like Aerosmith and Ozzy into "hair metal". To me, hair metal is the stuff that came along in the mid 80's and combined arena rock with glam.
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#1936629 - 05/03/08 09:44 PM
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Isn't saying "best hair metal band" kind of like saying "most valuable cow pie"?
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#1936639 - 05/03/08 10:25 PM
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Hair metal is one of the most overgeneralized genres in guitardom. Never have I seen more mischaracterizations or general hatred for one group of long-haired musicians trying to make it big with the clean-chorus and over-the-top fizzy-treble overdrive sounds that came out of the 1980s.
This list, like all lists, sucks. I love Scorpions, Def Leppard, GnR, Van Halen, and Bon Jovi. The only act out of those I would consider hair metal is Bon Jovi.
You want hair metal, listen to White Lion, White Snake, Poison, Cinderella. Those were hair bands. They are worlds below the aforementioned, and though I'm a sucker for "You Don't Know What You've Got 'Til It's Gone" as much as an adolescent girl who just finished watching The Breakfast Club, I won't say Cinderella or any of the above have talent.
Hair bands are a product of their image, just as any band that is a product of its image is bad. I don't care for a lot of what came out in the late 1990s because I found them all to be Nirvana clones or Limp Bizkit remakes. And believe me, you want a band not to emulate, Limp Bizkit is one. You can't stereotype a whole genre because the copies are nothing like the pioneers. The pioneers are all about the music. The copies are about remanufacturing the image to make money.
Like 'em or hate 'em, that's how one has to view hair bands.
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#1936643 - 05/03/08 10:42 PM
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Vito Bratta (didn't like them much, but I DID like them), the dude from Ratt (really liked some of their songs, "Round and Round" is one of the few hair metal songs I leave on the radio and sing along to when it appears), that guy from Night Ranger (didn't like them at all), that guy from Whitesnake, others were real good players and their music did NOT suck as much as a binch of others.
Many of the bands of the "best" I'd put on the "worst", gee....
One band that I did like and was kinda hair-metal-ish but wasn't and people loved putting them in that category was Def Leppard. Performance-wise, they weren't anywhere near the others as players.
Scorpions has a power ballad I really like, I think it's "I'm Still Loving You" or something like that.
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#1936644 - 05/03/08 10:44 PM
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Danger Danger had a great player ...if I remember well, that's the one w/ Andy Timmons. But man I thought they were lame as hell. Ew.
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#1936646 - 05/03/08 10:47 PM
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Didn't like Winger either but man that dude could play, and they had a HIT SONG in which the last solo was absolutely awesome... very nice stuff.
I think the dude that wrote the good riffs and songs in Def Leppard was the one that died.
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#1936654 - 05/03/08 11:56 PM
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im glad faster pussycat made it on the list, there first album is killer.
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#1936821 - 05/04/08 11:41 AM
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i can't say i warmed up to hair metal ( Poison, Ratt, Winger, Def Leppard etc). i was well aware of all the bands and knew who was in them and such but i was listening to Judas Priest, Accept, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and AC/DC. albums like "Screaming for Vengeance", "Balls to the wall", VH1, "Number of the Beast" and "If you want Blood.." totally crushed those poofy haired, lipstick wearing , prancing, spandex wearin girlyboy bands.
i have to say Night Ranger had a little more interesting sound. Gillis and Watson did some cool stuff.
early Def Leppard was ok until they became the prototype for Shania Twain.
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#1936852 - 05/04/08 12:40 PM
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spinal tap should have been number 1.
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#1936859 - 05/04/08 12:58 PM
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i can't say i warmed up to hair metal ( Poison, Ratt, Winger, Def Leppard etc). i was well aware of all the bands and knew who was in them and such but i was listening to Judas Priest, Accept, Van Halen, Iron Maiden and AC/DC. albums like "Screaming for Vengeance", "Balls to the wall", VH1, "Number of the Beast" and "If you want Blood.." totally crushed those poofy haired, lipstick wearing , prancing, spandex wearin girlyboy bands.
i have to say Night Ranger had a little more interesting sound. Gillis and Watson did some cool stuff.
early Def Leppard was ok until they became the prototype for Shania Twain.
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#1936866 - 05/04/08 01:20 PM
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#1937002 - 05/04/08 07:24 PM
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Typical BS lists. Any list that puts NY Dolls on the best (they completely sucked on Don Kirshner's Rock Concert) and Dokken on the worst probably thinks Eminem is a genius.
Well, I dunno about the Dolls, but come on, dude. Don Dokken sucked in ways other hair metal failures could only dream of sucking.
Case in point:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nQb1t_Yw0S8
Sick to your stomach yet? No? How about:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jokWFU_kbOk&feature=related
I mean, seriously, the only decent song they had was "It's Not Love", which they promptly rehashed at the behest of Wes Craven for Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors (of course, they did the "title track" for the movie soundtrack, which sounds awfully close to "It's Not Love", minus George's inane two-finger signature "riff"...
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#1937005 - 05/04/08 07:33 PM
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hair metal was probably the lowest point in music for myself anyway. everything pretty much sucked and everyone was doing ballads and unplugged etc. I haate def leppard more than any other group on the face of the earth, i liked pyromania though, but everything after was just lame and gay.
new york dolls was 10 yrs before hair metal also so i cant see how there on the list.
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#1937007 - 05/04/08 07:37 PM
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Now, as to the rest of these lists (I feel particularly qualified to comment on this stuff, as I grew up in the middle of it...)
1) Kudos for Twisted Sister making the top-10 best. They weren't particularly talented, but the difference between them and ALL these other bands is that they didn't take themselves seriously - something a lot of these other bands could have learned from...
2) Boo on Skid Row at the top of the "worst" section. Yeah, their first album was 100% glam-formula, but Sebastian Bach had the best set of pipes out of any of these chuckleheads, and they set the stage for Guns 'n' Roses with their aggressive, edgy version of glam. Particularly their second album, Slave To The Grind, was anything but the usual glammy schlock.
3) Ozzy Osbourne doesn't belong on this list. Neither does Kiss, nor Aerosmith. Why? Because if Ozzy, Kiss, and Aerosmith were hair metal, then the Stones were disco, on account of Emotional Rescue. Just because a band indulges themselves in copying a particular genre (which Kiss did their entire careers - whatever was hot, that's what they recorded - anyone remember Dynasty?) doesn't make them a member - it makes them a trend-chaser, which, when you get as old as Gene Simmons, makes you pretty pitiful for trying to (with a straight face) release Revenge in 1993, in a feeble effort to convince the world that you're "rebelling" against a then-completely-dead trend, whilst Motley Crue shed the makeup and girly clothes some 7 years earlier (Girls, Girls, Girls), Twisted Sister nearly 10 (Come Out And Play), Aerosmith 4 (Pump), and, well, basically everybody but Enuff'Z'Nuff by 1991...
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The New York Dolls are one of my all time favs... I was a bit too young and sheltered to know about them in '73 but I did find them a few years later, when David Johansen was solo (pre-Buster Poindexter) and Johnny Thunders was w/ the Heartbreakers.
NY Dolls - Jet Boy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2cQPln0Fr8
New York Dolls - Personality Crisis live on Don Kirshner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJHpJW_fCiY
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#1937100 - 05/05/08 05:48 AM
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probably the only thing worse than a hair metal song is the videos! and the constant pouted lips and the poodle hair and the torn tee shirts and the ....stop me please.
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