#1926368 - 04/13/08 12:47 PM
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techno has two meanings -- it's funny -- for europeans they mean stuff with no vocals, really underground "hard" stuff -- for americans, when they say "techno", often they mean what in europe is called "dance". And "dance" in europe is a lot more mainstream and pop-oriented
for "american" style techno (i.e. european "dance"), the best example I've found is this (itunes link):
strangely it's called "euro club hits" ... which makes things even more confusing ;
for "european" style techno... i.e. the stuff with no songs, I recommend going to and checking out the stuff in the "techno" section
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#1926543 - 04/13/08 08:17 PM
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"Techno", with or without vocals, is terribly repetitive and overly simplistic. I've often drawn comparisons between it and "hip hop" - except the creativity behind the writing of rhymes consistently outshines the creativity behind the programming of synthesizers.
And yes, I've produced more than my fair share of electronic music, both what I and others composed, so it's not like I'm speaking from some narrow "I hate music with no guitars" perspective...
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#1927412 - 04/15/08 06:40 AM
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"Techno", with or without vocals, is terribly repetitive and overly simplistic. I've often drawn comparisons between it and "hip hop" - except the creativity behind the writing of rhymes consistently outshines the creativity behind the programming of synthesizers.
And yes, I've produced more than my fair share of electronic music, both what I and others composed, so it's not like I'm speaking from some narrow "I hate music with no guitars" perspective...
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#1931451 - 04/23/08 07:34 PM
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"Techno", with or without vocals, is terribly repetitive and overly simplistic. I've often drawn comparisons between it and "hip hop" - except the creativity behind the writing of rhymes consistently outshines the creativity behind the programming of synthesizers.
And yes, I've produced more than my fair share of electronic music, both what I and others composed, so it's not like I'm speaking from some narrow "I hate music with no guitars" perspective...
Such a fine line though as not much to writing rhymes either when the computer does most of the musical work for you though.  Still though I do understand what you're saying and agree techno is very simplistic and repetitive.
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#1932645 - 04/26/08 05:44 AM
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My girlfriend listens to a lot of techno and I hate it. Even the stuf with vocals is horrible. If you hear the first 20 seconds you've heard it all.
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#1932685 - 04/26/08 08:18 AM
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...when the computer does most of the musical work for you though.
Are the same tools not used in both genres? Drum machines, synthesizers, etc? Here of late rappers have taken to employing real drummers, bassists, and guitarists instead of programmed cheese, but that's another matter entirely.
Last I checked, a TB303 is a computer, and it does most of the work for you, you just dial in the sounds and program the pattern...
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#1935758 - 05/02/08 06:37 AM
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For some reason, the links don't work.
I still don't know how I feel about techno. I started off loving the stuff back when it was still analog. I mean bands like Heaven 17 and the Human League. I guess it's morphed into "Eurobeat" or just plain old "Dance".
These days I have a sort of grudging respect for the rat cunning involved in abandoning musical expectations and making something like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2O85SUYm0
And sure, it's repetitive as hell, because you're not meant to sit and listen to it, you're meant to be dancing to it.
But I couldn't take it seriously, it's the McDonald's of music (not even the Burger King of music!) I'm reminded of that French general and the machine gun. You know... "c'est magnifique ma ce n'est pas la guerre!" and all that. Whatever it is is kind of cool, but I expect music to be more than that.
By the way, I tried to find a copy fo the vid to "Boom Boom Boom Boom" by the VengaBoys http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72g8p1XsvoU as a shining example of a totally crap, production-line type song and was amazed to see how many ordinary suburban people have put their own videos of that song on youtube. Look under "Venga Boys" instead of "VengaBoys" and be amazed. That's grassroots.
Does this stuff count as lyrics though? They're so banal that they may as well be samples.
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#1935763 - 05/02/08 06:47 AM
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These days I have a sort of grudging respect for the rat cunning involved in abandoning musical expectations and making something like this
That's almost comical in its inanity. Very typical of the genre, from my experience.
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#1936153 - 05/02/08 05:51 PM
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Well, yeah. But it's so... I don't know. I sort of admire the fact that someone is clever enough to sit back and give the fecal public what it really wants rather than try to edify them. Wouldn't do it myself, but I can see how it's a clever thing to do.
One band I always thought was really clever, dumb as it was, was Sigue Sigue Sputnik, of all people. The first album ("Flaunt It"), at any rate.
I mean, their lyrics were written in a weird, Nadsat like language and the music was kind of crap... but they WERE meant to be like a boy band from the future, so it's clever that the 5th Generation Of Rock And Roll should be just as inane as boy bands of the present day. It was a pretty wry comment on the music industry.
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#1952667 - 06/03/08 03:57 PM
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None of this has to do with techno and the idea that the computer does the job for you is not grounded in reality in any way.
http://techno.org/electronic-music-guide/
There, use the proper labels instead of shoving everything under a single term.
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#1952680 - 06/03/08 04:23 PM
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Please, Yoozer. Excessive subgenrefication in electronic music is part of the comedy - there's even a "subgenre" that features music made with a TB303 or simulation thereof: "Acid"
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#1952698 - 06/03/08 05:09 PM
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If http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad2O85SUYm0 and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq9nZSBtx7c are equal in your ears, I'm glad I have a different pair :D.
Yes, genres are stupid, but they're a usable way of mapping differences. Saying that it's all the same OONTZ OONTZ OONTZ would be like saying that all rock and blues are the same for using guitars.
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#1952699 - 06/03/08 05:12 PM
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They're not dissimilar enough to qualify as different "subgenres", AFAIC (other than the hairsplit that one has vocals and the other doesn't)
That's like saying Tom Petty and John Mellencamp should have their own subgenres of "Americana" because they don't sound the same.
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#1952700 - 06/03/08 05:15 PM
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Actually, rather than argue the specific examples you cited, I'm going to try a different approach:
Progressive Trance, Progressive Techno. Give me examples of each and show me quantitative differences between the two - bearing in mind that they exist on entirely different subgenre trees - so the difference should not be subtle....
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#1979353 - 08/11/08 05:02 PM
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As far as I can tell, what would also be known as "electronica" pretty much peaked around 1998. There was actually a little bit of creativity....It has since gone almost all the way over to "DJ culture".....f***ing Trance makes me want to puke. Then again as far as this stuff goes: 95 percent of what you hear will be sh**....the other 5 will be pretty ok.
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#1979532 - 08/12/08 09:28 AM
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ME - I'm right with you. I thought it got completely out of control with the excessive subgenrefication in 2000. There's just not enough substantive difference between what are supposed to be completely different subsets of the "main trees" in Electronic - House, Trance and Techno being the biggest culprits.
Notice Yoozer failed to come back and answer the challenge. He knows he's got nothing for it, because there aren't enough substantial, quantifiable differences between "Progressive Techno", "Progressive Trance", or even "Progressive House" to explain what they're doing on completely different subgenre trees, not just different subsets of the same tree.
The problem with electronica in general was that too many people who were basically doing the same kind of stuff in the same basic framework (4/4 straight beat, 140-ish tempo) with the same equipment wanted to differentiate what they were doing from what every other techno DJ was doing, so they started re-labeling it. Before long, every DJ out there had their own sub-genre, and people were rushing to copy their sounds (usually with Reason or Fruityloops instead of actual hardware) and it all went downhill from there.
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#1979687 - 08/12/08 07:01 PM
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That's pretty much it right there, Griffinator. In the meantime I'm gonna put on some SquarePusher (Go Plastic) or the double CD of Aphex Twin remixes and remember the good old days...
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#1979688 - 08/12/08 07:08 PM
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By the way Yoozer, French Affair and Joris Voorn are FREAKING TERRIBLE....made for the lowest common denominator. I guess it gets the girls out on the dance floor but, if you give a girl enough mixed drinks and "X" she'll pretty much dance to anything.
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#1979771 - 08/13/08 06:18 AM
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That's pretty much it right there, Griffinator. In the meantime I'm gonna put on some SquarePusher (Go Plastic) or the double CD of Aphex Twin remixes and remember the good old days...
Hey, if you're into Twin, you might actually appreciate some of this stuff...
http://www.sectionz.com/artist.asp?SZID=4118
Me circa '01-03.
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#1980335 - 08/14/08 03:32 PM
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Oops I didn't read below the link.....do you still do this, or have you moved on?
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#1980387 - 08/14/08 05:54 PM
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First post: That's all me.
Second post: I don't do very much these days, as I'm putting energy into multiple projects, and my hard drive died on me a few years ago, wiping out 150 gigs of samples and soundfonts I used to use to ply this trade. That was definitely a gut-punch to my creative flow.
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#1980863 - 08/15/08 10:36 PM
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That kinda sucks....I back up often but man, still if it happened, I would be TOTALLY screwed....my sympathies
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