#1926054 - 04/12/08 04:57 PM
Poly Evolver Rack help!
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theromp999
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I just recently purchased the poly evolver rack. I am running this rack along with a Fantom xr through my DIGI 001 rack/pro tools.
What I need to know is how I can play multiple poly evolver sounds in Pro tools. For example..I'll have a midi track open and I'll set the DIGI 001 channel to 10, hit the global button on the PE rack and change the midi channel there from "ALL" to "10". It will play the sound that i have currently selected on the rack, but then when I make another midi track, set it to the next channel (11) on both pro tools and the pe rack to play a different sound, it will play that sound but then the previous sound I played from the 10th channel no longer plays... If I hit global and set "MIDI channel: ALL" I can play multiple sounds however I am also using my fantom, so those sounds just end up clashing over each other. Essentially I just need to know how to play/sequence multiple sounds in pro tools with the evolver.
thanks.
Edited by theromp999 (04/12/08 04:59 PM)
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#1926305 - 04/13/08 10:14 AM
Re: Poly Evolver Rack help!
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paully
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You're question is based around specific equipment, but the answer might be simple.
The instruments in PTs and the multi-instrument keyboard/rack should be treated as discreet intruments. Apparently when you make a 'new' track, you're still using the same PTs instrument, and using a new 'track' doesn't mean a 'new' instrument, just a copy of the old one. Changing the PT channel to 11 will change the PT instrument globally, across tracks, and the original track channel 10 will not play cause it's been changed to 11. Don't forget to make sure that each rack instrument used has been assigned a discreet channel number, and that number matches the PT instrument number. That's my guess.
The answer might be to create a whole new PTs instrument for the new track, not just use a 'copy' of the old one. Then assign the new instrument to the 'new' track, Then you can assign it a 'new' channel, such as 11. As long as global receive is activated, the rack will then see/play 2 totally different instruments/channels. Hope this made sense. That's how I manage multi-instrument racks in Logic.
Best, Paul
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#1928509 - 04/17/08 12:09 PM
Re: Poly Evolver Rack help!
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theromp999
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I still have the same problem. I'm now using a prophet 08 instead of the poly rack cause i just recently traded it in. In Pro Tools you can't create a "new instrument" I have to make a new audio track and pull up the source of the sound coming from the DIGI001 rack, in the case of the Prophet 08, it's plugged into analog outputs 7-8 of the digi rack..so i have to pull that up in the audio track in pro tools then pick a channel.
I think what can be done to solve the problem is to put the Prophet 08 on a totally new midi buss. But how can I do that? I have a 2x2 USB-MIDI interface and I connected it like this, just as i was told to do by an employee at the local music equipment store where i live:
MIDI Controller Out <-> EMU MIDI In (1st side of the interface) <-> EMU MIDI Out (1st side) <-> 1st Module In ... EMU MIDI Out (2nd side of interface) <-> 2nd Module In.
When I did that though, only sound from my first module would play (fantom rack), and my prophet 08 (2nd module) wouldn't play any sound at all... Can you please tell me how I can connect everything so my Prophet 08 is on a different MIDI buss than my Fantom rack? Remember, I have a midi controller with only a MIDI out (and usb), the DIGI 001 rack only has 1 MIDI In and 1 MIDI Out, and then I have a USB-Midi 2x2 Emu interface...this problem has been an obstacle for me for the past week and I just want to get it out of the way so I can start making music! any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks alot..
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#1928606 - 04/17/08 04:19 PM
Re: Poly Evolver Rack help!
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paully
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Now I think I understand what you're doing. Midi tracks to run specific voices in various hardware synths, correct? Then use the midi tracks to trigger the voices as you record their audio into 'PT 'audio tracks', still correct?
As long as you don't need more that 16 voices, 1 midi bus is enough. In my studio, I have a Unitor 8, which is a USB connected hub with 8 ports, each with 16 channels. I don't even use the interface's midi connection.
Unfortunately PT is very hardware selective, and you'll have to research a midi hub that'll work with PT if you need something like this.
I don't know how savvy you are to the fundamentals, so I'll include some just in case.
There are 2 ways to set up the hardware: In series, where the first unit(usually a keyboard/controller) is wired traditionally with it's midi out to midi in on the interface or hub. It's considered to be the 'master' keyboard. The interface's midi out returns to the master's midi in. Basic loop complete. Second hardware(slave 1) is connected serially, using the master's midi thru connected to the slave's midi in. Same patching for each consecutive slave.
Parallel wiring requires using a multi-port hub to separate blocks of 16 channels onto separate ports. The wiring is then done in series(as above) for each port used. I think you know about this already.
Analog audio output from each voice will require a separate 'audio track' in PT to record the actual audio sound from your hardware. You also already know that.
Each voice will also require midi data to/from a midi track with the correct channel that you've assigned to it. Each voice will also have to be internally set by you to send/receive on that same channel. Theoretically you can put all the midi data on a single track as long as the midi notes, CCs, Pitch, etc. have the right channel number. Better to break each voice's midi data into separate midi tracks with different channel numbers, which I believe is where we are now.
The basic setup: Generically, the master keyboard should be set to send/receive on a specific channel. On my system, it's channel 1, Port 1. That(hopefully) makes it independent from all other voices. Set up this way, when you create a new midi track for a new voice, and assign the track a new midi number to match a new voice, during recording the master will embed the data(including the proper channel number) to that channel only, and you should hear the proper voice as you record. Remember, you have to set up your voices with the corresponding midi channel number prior to recording midi in order to monitor. For example, here are some pics of how a multi-voice module is configured in Logic:
Several Midi instruments to 1 multi-voice module:
Where separate midi instruments are created/set:
How they look when used in the main 'Arrange' track window:
Again as you set up your new midi tracks, you need to assign each track's channel/port number to the voice that corresponds to it. When that's done right, your master unit should insert the right channel number into the data stream as you record, then pass along the midi data to that voice, allowing you to monitor. Whatever the master keyboard is, you won't hear it.. just the sound of the currently assigned voice.
Once that's done and the midi tracks are firing the right instruments, it simply a matter of recording the 'analog' sound from those voices back into their own 'audio' track in PT. Don't forget to set the midi track to 'play' and the audio track to 'rec'. Until you're sure of the procedure, I'd suggest doing one track at a time. This is the way I've handled midi for 20+ years. Hope PT didn't throw you a curve with midi implementation.
Best, Paul
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